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this is somewhere in the skies Branzburg

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yeah right you can't even hold that

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thing steady yeah it's supposed to look

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like that what is that what I swear to

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god that's a oh where is it Shh

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a camera come on that's an alien give it

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back what oh they're cutting open one of

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the cows what they see us one of them is

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oh they see us they saw us then they

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welcome to somewhere in the skies

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brought to you by the e1 podcast network

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and now also being broadcast on the kgr

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a global radio alliance I'm your host

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Ryan Sprague thank you so much for

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joining me today

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so as for that sound but you just heard

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I should probably explain in 1998 at the

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age of 14 I remember flipping on the TV

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one evening just after a late dinner and

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I watched a TV special in which a whole

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video showed a family out in the woods

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investigating what appeared to be a

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plane crash near their farmhouse

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property but they soon realized this was

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anything but a plane crash it was a

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craft from another world and the

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occupants of the craft were soon to come

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face-to-face with a Macpherson family

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the rest of the evening played out in

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the most terrifying real-life and

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real-time alien encounter imaginable the

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TV special was titled alien abduction

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incident in Lake County it was one of

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the highest-rated and viewed specials to

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air on the UPN Network it even involved

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actual UFO researchers giving commentary

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to the events that played out and even

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though I'd eventually learned that this

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special was completely fictional and was

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inspired by an original version created

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and directed by the same person I still

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wanted to believe that the Macpherson

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family had encountered otherworldly

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beings and caught it all on camera today

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I talked to Dean Alioto the creator and

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director of both incident at Lake County

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and the original film that inspired it

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UFO abduction the Macpherson tape Dean

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brings us through the fascinating

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journey of making these two films the

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aftermath and reactions by both the UFO

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community and the mainstream at

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and then we talk about the conspiracies

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wrapped around both him and the film's

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leading all the way up to his most

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recent presentation at the 2018

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international UFO Congress and beyond so

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without further ado here is my

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jam-packed interview with filmmaker and

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budding UFO researcher Dean le odo Dean

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thank you so much for joining me on

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somewhere in this guise today you are so

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before we even get into the crux of the

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interview I have to tell you that when I

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was I believe 14 years old I turned on

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UPN and I watched as this family was

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being overtaken by aliens now as a

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budding UFO buff at the time I was a

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excited to see something like this on

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television but also terrified I thought

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this thing was real and so did so many

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other people around the world and it

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terrified me man that was incident at

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Lake County and then I learned that this

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was not the first time that this this

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had been you know in the zeitgeist you

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had made a previous film about incident

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at Lake County so today we're gonna talk

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all about that but before we even do

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that I have to ask man how did you even

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get interested in the topic of UFO

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specifically alien abduction let's start

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with the origin okay

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the origin we're going back to the going

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back in time music when I was a kid I

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had a crapload of energy I was

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classified as being hyperactive and so

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which would have nothing to do with my

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parents divorce I mean moving with my

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father and my brothers moving with my

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mother not at all it was hyperactivity

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milligrams of Ritalin for kids ritalin

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is like kind of a almost a downer it's a

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you know relaxant if you will for adults

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especially those in college who have

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used it before it's like speed so I

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would be on that during the day and then

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that apparently I still had too much

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energy so they put me on double the

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dosage that didn't work so they put me

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on three times and what that did to me

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as it made me literally a zombie during

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the day I didn't eat as much so actually

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when I moved back with my brothers three

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years later my younger brother who was

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two years young younger than I was so I

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would have been nine when I moved back

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was taller than me and so during this

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period what would happen is I'm from age

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of 79 I was you know I would be during

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the day I'd completely be out and then

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at night the riddlin wore off and so

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what happened then was I would boomerang

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back and so all of a sudden it would

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kick into this energy so I couldn't

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sleep so it's very important for kids to

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sleep that's where they grow that's why

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my my growth had been stunted during

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that period and so my father's remedy

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for this was a black and white Sony TV

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so I had it on the dresser and so I

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would watch TV shows at night at UHF

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stuff like that whatever channels I

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could get there weren't much at the time

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and so I got a chance to see all these

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classic sci-fi movies and I found myself

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really digging them from you know The

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Day the Earth Stood Still to the thing

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the original to Outer Limits all of that

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stuff I could not eat it up quick enough

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also I had this window that looked out

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over this it was kind of like I am I

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want to say like a lot a little meadow

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and a kind of a lot and you could see

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the stars this is in Sacramento and so I

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found myself constantly staring out

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there like I wanted to project myself

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out of you know the the sorrows of you

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know a broken family if you will and so

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doing that I just I was fixated I don't

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know why and if you you know go to a a

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lien abduction and support group they're

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gonna greatly insist that it's because

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they were talking to me me regardless of

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that that was kind of it trained me to

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look beyond our existence here and to

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consider alternatives and to kind of

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broaden my my spectrum of what I was

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considering as our life here

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incidentally later on and I boom back

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with my mother my mother had discovered

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this diet called the Feingold diet which

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unfortunately died when he died but

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basically what it is is you remove all

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artificial colors and flavors from a

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kid's diet and then because it

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turns out that I have a reaction to that

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and so I did have an abundance of energy

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but it's because we were eating you know

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red flavored jello and all that stuff

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you know the processed food that was

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eaten in the 70s anyway long story short

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that stargazing even without a telescope

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stayed with me all through you know

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growing up and then when I saw in search

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of that kicked it into a new gear where

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it was like okay I'm interested in

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Bigfoot I'm interested in and ghost Loch

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aliens was like at the top of the top

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and then I saw this TV movie a rerun of

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this TV movie called it's a cult it was

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the Barty and benny hill story Luke was

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called interrupted journey I forgot the

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name of the TV movie the UFO incident I

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think it was called yes and with James

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Earl Jones and Estelle Parsons and that

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was the first time I had seen the kind

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of stereotypical grey alien the shorter

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alien with the big eyes and bald head so

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that was a whole new you know item on

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the menu that I'd gobbled up and then

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Close Encounters of the Third Kind that

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was was amazing it was amazing because

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unlike all of the other sci-fi movies I

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had seen before this one was spiritual

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this is about someone who had a calling

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and I felt the same way as a budding

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filmmaker I felt like that was my

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calling I needed to express myself in a

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creative way and here was someone who

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kept saying you know he would see shapes

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and stuff that that was tied in somehow

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visually there was some synchronicity

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some connection to a bigger purpose and

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anytime you want to work in any kind of

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medium whether it says as writing books

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writing plays music you're trying to

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communicate and you're trying to give

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give way to to ideas and the bigger idea

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is the better and here was a film that

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was you know communion between our

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species and and a greater species which

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is interesting because it's it's like

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meeting a higher intelligence that the

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problem I think I'm going off on a

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little tangent here the problem I think

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with most with most people on the planet

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is is we're here

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it's hard it's hard living on this

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planet day in and day out but you know

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when it comes to two things like having

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faith of getting through the day or

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having faith just in general the irony

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is that there's more religion that's

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there where people believe in religion

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and follow the credo and stuff and and

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the rules if you will then there are

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people who believe in in

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extraterrestrials now we have 83 percent

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the polls or 83 percent of the

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population believes in and UFOs and

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aliens and believes that we've probably

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even been visited five percent believe

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they've actually seen UFOs and had their

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own experiences so that is why those

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numbers are huge it's not something that

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affects everyone's day to day in life

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there is more evidence compounded more

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evidence stacked up to support actual

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visitations from a higher intelligence I

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mean you could say God and angels and

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stuff is a higher intelligence obviously

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but there's more evidence to support

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that to support other civilizations that

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are beyond our comprehension whether

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they're coming from other planets other

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dimensions the future the past and so

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for me this is um this is you know a way

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for us to kind of get out of our hubris

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of our you know planets and and and

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where we are and what our you know

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places in it and I think that when you

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the the syndrome that astronauts have

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where they go up and they see how small

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the actual planet is and how we're one

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big village and they come back then

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maybe we'll stop you know the more we

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can go there and look outside of that

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that was a wild ass tangent there oh my

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god I loved it are you kidding me no I

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love veering off the path you were

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asking how I got into it so anyway

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that's that's kind of those those films

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cinema you know especially Close

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film which I had to make by the way by

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25 age 25 what is that

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well Spielberg Lucas Orson Welles

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classic Citizen Kane greatest movie

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considered the the best movie of all

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time all of it all of these filmmakers

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made their first film before or by 25 so

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I thought well if I'm gonna have a shot

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at this and be taken serious I need to

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do that as well which is just ridiculous

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you know good ideas when they come to

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you they come to you you can't force

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them and so while I was 24 years old on

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the precipice of turning 25 I did not

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have any idea I didn't know what the

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hell I was going to shoot and I had no

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money so a buddy of mine that I'd gone

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to high school with I said hey I want to

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be a producer I'm like great and he said

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so I want to produce your film and I

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said great do you have any money

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he's like why I got sixty five hundred

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bucks and so I asked him again do you

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have any money so he said you know I've

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got that can we do something for that

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and I flippantly said yeah we can make a

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home video for that you know that's

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that's not enough sorry

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and so I went on trying to you know

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think of other ideas and stuff and then

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I read the book communion that knocked

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me on my ass yeah I had been a big fan

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of some horror and sci-fi fiction and

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Stephen King there was nothing scarier

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than that and then I read communion and

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I was like this is horrifying this is a

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whole new dimension of horror because

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it's based on someone whether this

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happened or not that he believes this

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happen and because he's such a great

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writer Whitley Strieber it was

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compelling and riveting and sucked you

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in and took no prisoners so after

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reading that I thought god I really want

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to show what an abduction is like

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because except for that document or the

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the TV movie the UFO incident in 75 and

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then in 77 where you see a little Barry

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kidnap through their little door trap

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okay and the kitchen that was all we

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ever saw really abductions and so

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getting like full-on you know embedded

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in this I thought okay I really want to

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not only do I want to experience this

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without actually getting the anal probe

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but I want to be able to convey it to

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people I want to use my craft you know

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my tools to show what it would be like

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and and and then it all of a sudden

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clicked in where it was like the best

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way to do that is to shoot as a

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documentary and so you know he'd go

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there

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This Is Spinal Tap version and have

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people you know looking at footage and

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stuff and talking about it which had

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already been done with Holocaust

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cannibals I think that was an 83 and

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we're around 88 89 right here on I'm

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this film that I'm talking about but I

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was doing and so I thought alright um

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what if I shoot it as a home video what

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if I have a 16 year old 16 year old who

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just got a new video camera and which

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would be the Betamax the one that Marty

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McFly had and the future and so I'm I'll

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set it in 83 even though we're gonna

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shoot in 89 because I wanted to have the

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feeling of this video had been around

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for a little bit so and I thought okay

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so I need an event cuz I just want to go

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out and start you know having aliens

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flying down everything so I said alright

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well let's set it up well we'll set some

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normalcy we'll get to know the

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characters and then we'll introduce the

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it's a spaceship Mike I know what it's

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about

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no way [\h__\h] it's a spaceship

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[Music]

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and so the other thing I knew that I

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really wanted to work with themes and

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it's always important to me on every any

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story I tell is um family and when I had

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seen Close Encounters that there was

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some of that obviously when he was

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dealing with his family and him not

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wanting to grow up you know the Roy Mary

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character but also et now et was the

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thing that cemented my decision to I

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knew I want to be work in the film

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business I know if it was writing or

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whatever but when I saw et there was a

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broken family you know here's the middle

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child

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the single mom it was it was my life my

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childhood and then it was injecting

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aliens into it so for me it was a

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cocktail that that knocked me you know

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again on my ass and so I thought I

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wanted to do that I want to infuse that

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which Spielberg was so good at yeah and

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and so I thought okay well let's start

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with a birthday party a benign event and

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then there's a blackout this is that

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night in a cabin in the hills and they

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see a light flash by and they go out to

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investigate and so they get out there

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and they see they come upon this ship

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and these aliens they race back to tell

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everyone what they saw and over the

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course of the night over the course of

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shooting it all in one take we see the

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family get abducted one by one as

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they're taken out and so it was all

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improvised because I wanted to feel as

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real as possible it again I have to

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preface this was not trying to do a hoax

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it was doing 1960s French cinema verite

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right it was trying to work in a space

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that had not been done before that I was

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aware of I I did not I swear to God know

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at the time that I'm creating or being

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one of the creators of a whole new

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narrow different filmmaking since the

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advent of editing I I it was a gimmick

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it was a $6,500 gimmick so we actually

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you know went in and shot this thing and

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hired improvisational actors and and you

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know pulled them together and and and

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did it all in one night well what was

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that like like the auditions for for

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something like this I mean actors

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weren't used to this you know being like

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hey so we're just gonna throw you into a

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cabin in the wood

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and see what happens we're not gonna

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tell you certain things I would imagine

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like this like you said this is the

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advent of phone footage man Blair which

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wasn't around for another one ten years

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or so some other yeah so how did as a

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director how do you approach your you're

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within like your auditions and whatnot

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approach the actors to be like this is

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what we're doing like what can you give

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me I'm interested in that aspect of it

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the the skill set that I used for that

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was complete ignorance I didn't know

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what the hell I was doing I was making

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it up along because my experience at

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that point in in organizing a production

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had been as a as a as a viewer as an

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auditor I had a chance to work on I

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worked on the last Dirty Harry film I

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worked on for a day shooting stills for

436
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Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade so I

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got a chance to see Spielberg I worked

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on the doors so I got a chance to see

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all my idols do it but the level that

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they were doing at it was was was

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monstrous compared to my munis minuscule

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budget which was another reason why I

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decided that I didn't want to try to

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take whatever money I had resources and

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make it look like a slick Hollywood film

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because I couldn't compete but I could

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compete on on telling a story that was

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done as raw as possible that I could own

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so I thought all right so let's look at

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the math of this we're gonna be

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improvising based on a ten page outline

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with beats so I should probably get

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improvisational actors so we had a lot

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of actors come in that you know some

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were comedians and stuff which isn't

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exactly the right tone but anything

457
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we're attacking a big serious subject

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any drama that I do I always tend to

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have some levity in there so a very

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funny actor who he cast as the older

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brother for Eric was um Tommy giovannini

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Tommy came in gave a very funny story

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because basically we did is we had these

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actors come in and because there was no

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script I said tell me a story were

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something amazing happen that you've

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experienced and and it was it turns out

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to be a great way to get actors to

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loosen up and to talk and to forget

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about having to perform and be on and

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it's a technique that I've used since

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then but the the greatest thing was that

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because we were

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saying you know tell us a story if you

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have or you've heard anything about UFOs

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you know throw that into the mix as well

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and then it came to Casting the mother

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the actress Shirley McCall comes in and

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she looks at us and she says so have you

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guys seen a UFO and completely turn the

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tables on us yeah

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and Joey talked nari my executive

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producer and I were like no that's why

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we're making this we want to see it and

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this is our way to recreate it so we can

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see it as well and she's like well I

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have and now we're leaning forward she

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owns the audition and so she's saying

489
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all right so I grew up in Oklahoma and

490
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she just goes into it she had us at

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Oklahoma cuz she's like it's a prairie

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it's out there yeah already she set the

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tone for us and she goes ahead and tells

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us this amazing story believe in UFOs

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either right I mean that's pretty far

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that's like goes

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the East Asia

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national security HD which is the

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topspin

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we used to go to Oklahoma to spend the

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summer with all these children so one

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summer we're there

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sixty-five

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about my country so one evening the kids

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and I went out to the country

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they've seen a flying saucer with that

507
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sure what have you been drinking no

508
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nothing like that and the kids are all

509
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outside you know they're watching for

510
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this theory we bought fly out in the

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yard there's my in-laws my brother and

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sister-in-law and these people are

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really straight right they don't know

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they've been drinking anything but

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coffee go out and look up in the sky and

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I see a little airplane line going

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across us okay that's an airplane to

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send go over there in there

519
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just like the closing

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[Music]

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about three miles away this

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very so it's very dark you can see 30

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miles in that direction it's at night

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and I would say it was between 2 and 3

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miles away because it was between us

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which Espeon and the thing either has

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revolving lights on it or it's reform

528
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you know is that far away but if the

529
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shape is the classic saucer shape and

530
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there's this beam of light

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and it's moving it's not a helicopter

532
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it's not swamp gas it's not

533
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it's not all the things that they were

534
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saying that summer that these UFO

535
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objects are well it's just people are

536
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mass hallucinating uh uh let me tell you

537
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this beam of light is coming straight

538
00:23:31,719 --> 00:23:29,659
down from this thing and we watch it for

539
00:23:38,170 --> 00:23:31,729
I don't know 5 or 10 days kids are

540
00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:42,270
and we watch it for the

541
00:23:48,550 --> 00:23:45,180
any can stay completely still

542
00:23:51,180 --> 00:23:48,560
in midair and it moves

543
00:23:53,970 --> 00:23:51,190
and it stopped

544
00:23:55,860 --> 00:23:53,980
and maybe five or ten minutes and we

545
00:23:58,049 --> 00:23:55,870
hear airplane motor

546
00:23:59,520 --> 00:23:58,059
they often distance kids of course what

547
00:23:59,940 --> 00:23:59,530
I'm going to call the police I said no

548
00:24:01,500 --> 00:23:59,950
way

549
00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:01,510
you know we're not going to get our name

550
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:02,830
in the front page of the paper tomorrow

551
00:24:09,740 --> 00:24:05,890
as those coops have saw the funny the

552
00:24:12,580 --> 00:24:09,750
spaceship but then the airplane motors

553
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:12,590
oh this thing was totally silent

554
00:24:17,890 --> 00:24:15,650
noise you can hear really well I'm on a

555
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:17,900
prayer you can hear a gunshot ten miles

556
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:18,570
of what

557
00:24:25,860 --> 00:24:31,970
airplane but way off and this

558
00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:34,419
from standings you've seen the

559
00:24:38,509 --> 00:24:36,750
spaceships when they take off now they

560
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:38,519
sort of higher you know as they go up

561
00:24:45,030 --> 00:24:40,500
and then they gather up speed this thing

562
00:24:50,610 --> 00:24:47,010
it is over South America I mean it

563
00:24:53,850 --> 00:24:50,620
disappeared in two seconds and commenced

564
00:24:55,740 --> 00:24:53,860
acadec two airplanes from one from fans

565
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:55,750
Air Force Base and the other from Altus

566
00:25:00,420 --> 00:24:57,450
Air Force Base out if you

567
00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:00,430
it's been a circle

568
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:02,750
and I thought you fools that things

569
00:25:07,470 --> 00:25:05,050
clear over are

570
00:25:11,769 --> 00:25:07,480
and all this time the army the Air Force

571
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:14,460
come and get us or understand we didn't

572
00:25:18,980 --> 00:25:15,910
[\h__\h]

573
00:25:21,210 --> 00:25:18,990
have an operation or anything ever but

574
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:21,220
because because I've had that experience

575
00:25:24,570 --> 00:25:23,090
I'm not

576
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:24,580
[Music]

577
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:27,760
the hope so I think that the UFO

578
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,030
she told the story so well regardless of

579
00:25:42,260 --> 00:25:37,860
what it was about obviously she got the

580
00:25:45,770 --> 00:25:42,270
part yeah that's a way to sell it for

581
00:25:50,030 --> 00:25:45,780
sure my gosh yeah so from there once we

582
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:50,040
had our cast assembled we did for about

583
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:53,640
a week or two we did improvisational we

584
00:25:58,340 --> 00:25:56,370
improvised the whole beat sheet and we

585
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:58,350
would this is in San Francisco now we

586
00:26:00,970 --> 00:25:59,520
would run around we're in Pacific

587
00:26:03,260 --> 00:26:00,980
Heights we would run around the block

588
00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:03,270
acting like we saw a ship and running

589
00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:04,500
back I'm sure our neighbors thought we

590
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:07,800
were bad [\h__\h] but but we went ahead and

591
00:26:12,860 --> 00:26:10,170
and did that so that we felt like we had

592
00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:12,870
a rhythm and that everyone was was

593
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:15,390
connecting the chemistry was getting set

594
00:26:20,260 --> 00:26:17,700
of a family and so we were used to each

595
00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:20,270
other and we felt comfortable one and

596
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,800
that was probably the best thing because

597
00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:25,440
the the key to all filmmaking is being

598
00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:29,700
prepped 90% of it is prepped 95% of it

599
00:26:35,270 --> 00:26:33,750
is also casting but we had the benefit

600
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:35,280
of that and then some when we got out

601
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:37,290
there it was like shooting a live event

602
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:39,210
that's another thing I want to bring up

603
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:41,130
Dean with this with this original

604
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:44,130
version of UFO abduction you know going

605
00:26:48,290 --> 00:26:46,020
down the Hitchcock route first of all

606
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,300
you were you were in this you were a

607
00:26:52,670 --> 00:26:50,640
character in this version and this was

608
00:26:55,550 --> 00:26:52,680
also a continual shot throughout the

609
00:26:57,860 --> 00:26:55,560
entire thing so those are two other huge

610
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,870
things I'd love to touch on before we

611
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:00,240
move to the the second act of your

612
00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:04,200
journey yeah so how is that being the

613
00:27:09,770 --> 00:27:07,070
director also being in your film and

614
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:09,780
this the whole idea of having to pluck

615
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:11,490
out this entire thing I mean you watch

616
00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:14,130
and it is it's just continual the entire

617
00:27:18,860 --> 00:27:16,740
time which to me I can't even imagine

618
00:27:21,170 --> 00:27:18,870
what that was like as a playwright like

619
00:27:23,150 --> 00:27:21,180
being I'm imagining a million stage

620
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:23,160
managers everywhere being like a cue

621
00:27:28,150 --> 00:27:25,770
this actor cue that light cue this alien

622
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:28,160
I can't imagine dude what was that like

623
00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:30,810
well again it was ignorant it was just

624
00:27:35,620 --> 00:27:32,670
kind of like well we got to do it and

625
00:27:37,940 --> 00:27:35,630
and so I think I looked at it as being

626
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:37,950
you know when I was a kid I would always

627
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:40,170
do haunted houses every year and I would

628
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:41,610
put them on in my backyard and none of

629
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:42,690
the neighbor kids would come because

630
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:43,620
they were

631
00:27:47,419 --> 00:27:46,200
- scary and but I would put on these

632
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:47,429
little shows and I would have friends

633
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:49,110
help building everything so I kind of

634
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,450
looked at it like that like it was hey

635
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,760
let's let's put together this little you

636
00:27:56,899 --> 00:27:55,440
know project we're doing like The Little

637
00:28:00,820 --> 00:27:56,909
Rascals let's you know put together a

638
00:28:03,289 --> 00:28:00,830
show and so it was it was you know

639
00:28:05,149 --> 00:28:03,299
basically I thought okay so I'm gonna

640
00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:05,159
need to cue people as we're going along

641
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:07,230
this so I had a headset on so I'm

642
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:08,970
playing the sixteen year old and I've

643
00:28:12,740 --> 00:28:10,409
got the camera on my shoulder and we

644
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:12,750
shot it on eight millimeter video that

645
00:28:16,639 --> 00:28:14,580
was stereo that was a big thing we have

646
00:28:20,269 --> 00:28:16,649
the first home video stereo calories

647
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:20,279
yeah so I've got the camera on my

648
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:23,610
shoulder got a headset so I am cueing

649
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:25,860
them I'm like okay cue the light cue the

650
00:28:30,380 --> 00:28:28,440
ship and aliens cue the whatever and I

651
00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:30,390
would have to lean away from the from

652
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:32,220
the cameras that you wouldn't hear me

653
00:28:37,220 --> 00:28:33,779
none of the actors were miked by the way

654
00:28:40,639 --> 00:28:37,230
mm-hmm I wanted to have the actual sound

655
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,649
be picked up by the by the camera and so

656
00:28:43,639 --> 00:28:42,000
I had to be very quiet and there's a

657
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:43,649
couple shots if you listen really

658
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:45,330
carefully especially to the digitally

659
00:28:49,159 --> 00:28:47,580
remastered version I just did where I'm

660
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,169
going down a hallway and you can kind of

661
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:51,360
hear him he and I'm talking you hear a

662
00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:52,740
little bit of buzz of the car okay so

663
00:29:00,620 --> 00:28:58,260
good go and so it was it was a juggling

664
00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:00,630
act but I'm also a drummer and so I

665
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,460
guess I like the the coordination of

666
00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:04,559
having to do all these things and being

667
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:07,590
a Gemini probably helps if you believe

668
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:10,710
in that type of thing but yeah so it was

669
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:13,140
just let's go by the seat of our pants

670
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:16,320
let's just run it and we went out there

671
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:20,970
and my ex was the alien Wrangler so we

672
00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:23,370
had three kids and I took a play book a

673
00:29:27,889 --> 00:29:24,990
note of the play of the Spielberg play

674
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:27,899
book and had kids play the the aliens

675
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:30,840
and so we had a ship and we had our

676
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:33,360
aliens and way out buried in the woods

677
00:29:37,399 --> 00:29:35,460
no other lights around except for that

678
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,409
lights that were used inside the ship

679
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,080
and we had a little fog machine going so

680
00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:42,000
if I were these kids I would have been

681
00:29:47,659 --> 00:29:43,350
pissed into my pants

682
00:29:49,639 --> 00:29:47,669
yeah so Max had a really really heavy

683
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,649
heavy job to do it could have gone south

684
00:29:53,779 --> 00:29:51,360
we could have had renegade aliens all

685
00:29:56,779 --> 00:29:53,789
over the place she corralled them and so

686
00:29:57,290 --> 00:29:56,789
we got out there and and I you know we

687
00:29:59,420 --> 00:29:57,300
say okay

688
00:30:02,360 --> 00:29:59,430
the aliens and by the way the ship and

689
00:30:04,670 --> 00:30:02,370
the alien masks and hands were all done

690
00:30:07,910 --> 00:30:04,680
by this guy amazing production designer

691
00:30:11,170 --> 00:30:07,920
named Bill Bowes he did it all for 750

692
00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:11,180
bucks he did it with foam core and

693
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:14,430
plywood literally and then it I think he

694
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:16,650
found some like hoses and stuff from

695
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:19,770
some industrial plant but that was it it

696
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,170
was like little nuances he went on to do

697
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:24,240
the first Fantastic Four movie - the

698
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:26,340
scooby-doo films and work with them with

699
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:28,770
a Tim Burton on on James and the Giant

700
00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:30,630
Peach very talented guy so we lucked a

701
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:32,220
time it was a lot of you know the crew

702
00:30:35,540 --> 00:30:33,810
gets a lot of kudos here

703
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:35,550
Craig Patterson who was my first ad

704
00:30:41,030 --> 00:30:38,490
rocket as well we yeah well I had a

705
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:41,040
queue all of them and then the thing

706
00:30:44,330 --> 00:30:43,530
that was great about it yeah was

707
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:44,340
challenging but I think that was

708
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:46,230
terrific about it is that if the scene

709
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:49,320
wasn't anxious or not or it was moving

710
00:30:54,050 --> 00:30:50,100
too fast

711
00:30:55,790 --> 00:30:54,060
I could modulate the actors by bringing

712
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:55,800
my energy down even bringing it up

713
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:57,960
inciting it more instigating it more and

714
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:01,020
so that was something that I really

715
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:03,240
enjoy and and wish I could do more as a

716
00:31:07,550 --> 00:31:05,940
director is to inject yourself in it so

717
00:31:09,380 --> 00:31:07,560
you're saying okay now we're playing at

718
00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:09,390
this tempo now we're at this tempo one

719
00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:11,700
and everything so that was kind of the

720
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:13,260
benefit of that that I could lead them

721
00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:15,030
to where we need it to go but sometimes

722
00:31:18,020 --> 00:31:16,620
I would get so caught up in what was

723
00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:18,030
going on and listening and trying to

724
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:20,760
capture it that I got you know I had

725
00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:23,850
loose loss I've you lose track of time

726
00:31:29,650 --> 00:31:25,740
I'm not saying there was any missing

727
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:29,660
time here yeah are you sure about that I

728
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:31,860
haven't done regressive hypnosis so

729
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:33,810
maybe I think I can find Smith about

730
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:36,450
that yeah I you know I think it was

731
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:40,380
about two years ago now I shot my first

732
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:42,810
feature film my first ever film I'd done

733
00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:46,020
with a director and we'd gone around

734
00:31:51,650 --> 00:31:48,660
bragging that we shot a feature in two

735
00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:51,660
weeks they can we were like some you

736
00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:54,870
know we've done some amazing feat then I

737
00:32:00,860 --> 00:31:58,230
hear that you shot this thing in one day

738
00:32:01,610 --> 00:32:00,870
I read that's that's incredible first

739
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:01,620
and foremost

740
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:03,510
especially with everything you had

741
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:05,490
involved with this I mean I can't

742
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:08,310
imagine like what was that like

743
00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:10,140
you know doing this knowing

744
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:12,270
like you only had this amount of time to

745
00:32:15,650 --> 00:32:13,740
do it you only have the actors for this

746
00:32:18,260 --> 00:32:15,660
amount of time I mean was that any a

747
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,270
pressure on you as the director to be

748
00:32:22,330 --> 00:32:20,640
like I gotta get this done in one day or

749
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:22,340
is that just sort of how it played out

750
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:25,020
well first of all I'm sure your two-week

751
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:26,970
movie is much better than my movie um

752
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:31,320
and so uh second of all it was it was

753
00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:33,240
just kind of like this is all we have so

754
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:35,400
it's kind of like a painting party you

755
00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:36,890
invite a whole bunch of people you

756
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:39,750
spring for the pizza and beer and then

757
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:42,360
everyone's working together and you

758
00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:44,580
hopefully are just jamming and getting

759
00:32:48,890 --> 00:32:46,919
it done and at the end of the day you've

760
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:48,900
got a new coat of paint on your house

761
00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:51,210
and this was at the end except you know

762
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,190
we end up at the other day with a movie

763
00:32:57,860 --> 00:32:55,919
so it was really just kind of like use

764
00:33:00,370 --> 00:32:57,870
what you have that was all that was on

765
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,380
the plate for us and so you know again

766
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:03,360
it's in hindsight I look back and I go

767
00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:05,220
holy crap you know I don't know if I

768
00:33:09,530 --> 00:33:07,169
could have done that today I would have

769
00:33:11,030 --> 00:33:09,540
been too cautious about unions and

770
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:11,040
guilds and stuff I'm in the directors

771
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:13,260
guild now and so you know I would have

772
00:33:18,260 --> 00:33:15,480
to have an official line producer and

773
00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:18,270
first ID in a second and anyway so it

774
00:33:22,940 --> 00:33:20,190
was it was there was a lot of freedom

775
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:22,950
that I've not experienced since he can

776
00:33:27,530 --> 00:33:25,890
probably won't ever so that was that was

777
00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:27,540
kind of it was it was all out of

778
00:33:31,340 --> 00:33:29,940
necessity man it was all just this is

779
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:31,350
what we have to work with so let's do it

780
00:33:38,390 --> 00:33:35,610
and then when it's done you think oK

781
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:38,400
we've achieved it yay we're not even a

782
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:41,250
tenth of the way there right if no one

783
00:33:46,220 --> 00:33:43,710
sees it then it means nothing so at that

784
00:33:49,340 --> 00:33:46,230
point it was still this home video that

785
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:49,350
I had shot with my friends well yeah

786
00:33:55,159 --> 00:33:52,890
exactly and that that's kind of where we

787
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:55,169
we springboard into you like I said the

788
00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:57,330
second act of this whole thing so

789
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,250
filming is complete you've got this

790
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:01,440
thing you know sort of just lingering

791
00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:03,929
you got it on on your shoulders ready to

792
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:05,910
go so what do you do next I would

793
00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:08,010
imagine you you try to look for someone

794
00:34:13,340 --> 00:34:10,379
to screen it or someone to distribute it

795
00:34:14,419 --> 00:34:13,350
and that's where the story gets really

796
00:34:16,609 --> 00:34:14,429
interesting I've heard you talk about

797
00:34:19,580 --> 00:34:16,619
this in several other interviews so

798
00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:19,590
please walk us through this crazy story

799
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:22,440
man so well the first thing we did is we

800
00:34:26,330 --> 00:34:23,850
had a premiere

801
00:34:28,820 --> 00:34:26,340
oven and we through a mutual friend

802
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:28,830
someone had known Jacques Vallee and

803
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:31,170
they brought him out to the premiere

804
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:32,850
screening of it in San Francisco and so

805
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:34,890
Jacques lives in the Bay Area and so

806
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:36,780
Jacques came out and I had read

807
00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:39,090
dimensions and was a big fan and I also

808
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:42,390
knew that he that the transference watch

809
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:44,250
Ruffo character in Close Encounters was

810
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:48,090
based on Lacombe was based on Jacques

811
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:51,300
and so was a big fan of his and so he

812
00:34:57,020 --> 00:34:54,450
came out and saw it and he was really

813
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,030
super super nice in fact we met after

814
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,520
and he had said that that was that was

815
00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:00,960
that were the most realistic portrayals

816
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:04,020
of this had ever seen and all I wanted

817
00:35:07,340 --> 00:35:05,400
to do was talk to him about aliens and

818
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,350
UFOs and only wanted to do was talk

819
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:10,320
about making movies with me so we kind

820
00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:11,970
of had to meet in the middle but it was

821
00:35:17,090 --> 00:35:15,420
great to you know have him see that and

822
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:17,100
to see it with a live audience

823
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:19,110
the funny part and I should have gotten

824
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:21,060
I should have been cluding at this at

825
00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:22,410
this scene but this incident that

826
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:24,270
happened but during the screen this

827
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:25,800
buddy of Maya and brought his girlfriend

828
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:28,230
at the end of the film and I'd already

829
00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:29,880
introduced it and I said what you know

830
00:35:36,250 --> 00:35:32,550
the intention was and everything and and

831
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:36,260
so at the end of it she is like you know

832
00:35:39,860 --> 00:35:38,370
ashen-faced and and she comes out and

833
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:39,870
she's like why is everyone laughing why

834
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,090
is everyone clapping this is awful oh

835
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:44,640
this family when it's terrorized and

836
00:35:49,850 --> 00:35:47,010
everything and and my buddy was trying

837
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:49,860
to you know tell her no no no real I

838
00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:51,570
don't know if they got there late or

839
00:35:55,850 --> 00:35:53,070
something maybe that's the only what

840
00:35:57,950 --> 00:35:55,860
could happen but um you know and it's a

841
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,960
testament to your work you know I I

842
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,520
thought well that's an anomaly that's

843
00:36:06,050 --> 00:36:01,680
funny but you know whatever

844
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:06,060
and so we Joey again my executive

845
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:08,370
producer 9 got in the car and did a road

846
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,110
trip from San Francisco to Los Angeles

847
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:13,200
to sell the movie and so we met with all

848
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:16,410
these distributors and all of them hated

849
00:36:20,540 --> 00:36:18,570
it one woman she used to run this

850
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:20,550
company called vest Ron I think was best

851
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:22,440
friend she was insulted

852
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:25,410
she said you take up my time with this

853
00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:30,240
this this home movie what do you think

854
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:32,190
that I have time for this you don't ever

855
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,810
ever reach out to me talk to me again

856
00:36:37,609 --> 00:36:36,000
until you can make a real movie and so

857
00:36:40,549 --> 00:36:37,619
we thought

858
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:40,559
well okay this this truly is a home

859
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:42,900
movie and we met with one other person

860
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:44,609
on the way out and it didn't seem like a

861
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:47,940
you know it was a good chemistry or

862
00:36:51,529 --> 00:36:49,890
anything happen we're like whatever we

863
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:51,539
took off back licking her wounds back

864
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:53,880
home and the next day we get a call and

865
00:36:57,890 --> 00:36:55,710
the very last person we had seen said

866
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:57,900
hey I think this thing is funny as all

867
00:37:02,690 --> 00:36:59,940
hell I think it's great I think it's

868
00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:02,700
cool I want to release it so we're you

869
00:37:06,799 --> 00:37:04,680
know we feel like we've won the lottery

870
00:37:09,140 --> 00:37:06,809
we're excited it actually has a happy

871
00:37:11,809 --> 00:37:09,150
ending and the story then three months

872
00:37:14,180 --> 00:37:11,819
later I check in and I say hey how many

873
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:14,190
units have we sold and he says

874
00:37:19,549 --> 00:37:17,579
unfortunately we did not sell any and we

875
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:19,559
won't be selling any and I said you know

876
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:20,970
what is what do you what does that mean

877
00:37:25,940 --> 00:37:22,890
the warehouse that we have all of our

878
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:25,950
master tapes and burned to the ground

879
00:37:30,499 --> 00:37:28,710
and I and I thought he was joking at

880
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:30,509
first he says no they literally burned

881
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:33,359
to the ground I'm not saying that it was

882
00:37:37,489 --> 00:37:35,490
you know I'm not saying he set his own

883
00:37:38,269 --> 00:37:37,499
thing on fire for insurance reasons but

884
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:38,279
it wouldn't be the first time that

885
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:41,970
happened oh yeah I'm sure so again a

886
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:44,940
huge hit we're like that's it at least I

887
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:47,099
made my first film by 25 I got that out

888
00:37:54,620 --> 00:37:50,640
of it I guess by you know time to move

889
00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:54,630
on and so I continued doing directing

890
00:37:59,749 --> 00:37:56,910
and TV I did I ended up doing a season

891
00:38:01,400 --> 00:37:59,759
or two of totally hidden video which was

892
00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:01,410
kind of funny because it's almost like

893
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:03,630
hoaxing in a way you're hosting people

894
00:38:09,739 --> 00:38:06,569
doing pranks and then and then I'm

895
00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:09,749
working on a crime series and and then

896
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:11,430
I'd get in Los Angeles and I'm commuting

897
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:12,839
back and forth and I'd get a call from

898
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:16,170
this guy whose name is Sean David Morton

899
00:38:23,569 --> 00:38:18,569
the notorious day yes that's a good one

900
00:38:27,049 --> 00:38:23,579
thing is yeah notorious SDM and so um he

901
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:27,059
says hey your name came up

902
00:38:31,249 --> 00:38:28,650
we're looking for someone who knows

903
00:38:32,749 --> 00:38:31,259
something about this found footage that

904
00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:32,759
was the first time I'd heard the term

905
00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:36,180
found footage this is about 94 and so um

906
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,150
I said well this wasn't found you know

907
00:38:44,029 --> 00:38:42,480
we made it and he said okay do you know

908
00:38:46,009 --> 00:38:44,039
what's been going on with your film and

909
00:38:49,099 --> 00:38:46,019
I said nothing the distribution company

910
00:38:51,110 --> 00:38:49,109
burn to the ground so I don't I don't

911
00:38:54,050 --> 00:38:51,120
get what this is all done he says well

912
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:54,060
apparently a few mom-and-pop video

913
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:55,760
stores got advanced screeners and

914
00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:58,530
someone you're telling me that it was

915
00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:00,300
that had credits this has no credits in

916
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:02,100
it so I guess they edited off the

917
00:39:06,140 --> 00:39:04,260
credits and they injected it into the

918
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:06,150
UFO community it ended up at the

919
00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:08,010
International UFO Congress convention

920
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:10,920
which I'd never heard of I did I'd never

921
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:13,230
been to UFO convention in my life and I

922
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:15,240
thought he was you know joking and I

923
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:17,700
said really I said are you serious

924
00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:19,650
because whoever did this is definitely

925
00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:22,620
more clever than I am and he said no it

926
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:24,060
has this isn't you know in fact there's

927
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:25,050
a lieutenant colonel

928
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:27,570
Don ware who believes this thing is real

929
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,480
and a UFO researcher Tom dango and they

930
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:32,480
both believe that this is authentic and

931
00:39:39,340 --> 00:39:36,480
I'm representing a few shows that are

932
00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:39,350
interested in they've tasked him with

933
00:39:44,830 --> 00:39:41,820
finding out who has the rights to this

934
00:39:47,420 --> 00:39:44,840
and the shows were unsolved mysteries

935
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:47,430
hardcopy and a Fox er is called

936
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:49,380
Encounters and I joked and said well I

937
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:50,940
guess unsolved mysteries is that right

938
00:39:57,590 --> 00:39:55,680
David said not necessarily and I said no

939
00:39:59,360 --> 00:39:57,600
it's it's out it's the mystery solved

940
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:59,370
and then we looked at a hard copy and

941
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:00,540
they said well do a little about the

942
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:02,910
little two minute same and foxes we want

943
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:04,290
to do a six-and-a-half minute segment

944
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:05,640
and feature this is the world's greatest

945
00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:07,710
UFO hoax of all time bla bla bla and

946
00:40:11,330 --> 00:40:09,420
they seem passionate about it which is

947
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:11,340
important to a filmmaker so we went with

948
00:40:16,730 --> 00:40:13,290
them it's easy to understand why people

949
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:16,740
would enjoy hoaxing UFO encounters what

950
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:18,690
isn't easy to understand is the way they

951
00:40:25,820 --> 00:40:22,920
do it our UFO hoax Hall of Shame is full

952
00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:25,830
of cases in point and we admit even we

953
00:40:31,580 --> 00:40:28,830
were fooled perhaps the most bizarre

954
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:31,590
example of mistaken identity began in

955
00:40:37,340 --> 00:40:34,770
the fall of 1993 when copies of this

956
00:40:41,180 --> 00:40:37,350
videotape began to circulate among UFO

957
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:41,190
enthusiasts it begins with a birthday

958
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:45,390
party obviously shot on home video but

959
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:49,170
then the party takes a strange turn for

960
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:51,780
60 terrifying minutes the panic-stricken

961
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:54,110
family fights off the invading aliens

962
00:40:59,480 --> 00:40:57,450
the home video ends abruptly as the

963
00:41:02,830 --> 00:40:59,490
aliens entered the family's home and

964
00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:02,840
apparently abduct them it had this huge

965
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:04,950
following and this is really before

966
00:41:08,780 --> 00:41:06,410
the internet kind of kicked in so

967
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:08,790
instead of people sending me emails I

968
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:10,859
was getting calls after the segment

969
00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:13,530
aired with me explaining it and showing

970
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:15,750
pictures as well behind the scenes stuff

971
00:41:20,780 --> 00:41:18,900
to kind of you know DD hoax this there

972
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:20,790
were still UFO researchers from Brazil

973
00:41:25,819 --> 00:41:23,849
from Japan calling me at all hours of

974
00:41:28,609 --> 00:41:25,829
the night saying you know and and and

975
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:28,619
UFO fans saying they wanted to get a

976
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:30,450
copy of this that went on for a little

977
00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:32,280
while and then it kind of died died down

978
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:35,550
I think I just flashed to Sean wanted me

979
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,020
to go out and help them prevent an alien

980
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:39,359
abduction that I'm remembering videotape

981
00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:40,980
it I guess you can prevent these things

982
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:41,579
on it

983
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:44,010
there have been manuals written about

984
00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:46,470
that apparently yeah but apparently yeah

985
00:41:52,099 --> 00:41:49,140
I haven't gotten my hands on them yet so

986
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:52,109
uh maybe maybe I should dummies guide to

987
00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:55,760
preventing alien abductions yeah and so

988
00:42:00,920 --> 00:41:58,619
that was fun for a while and then that

989
00:42:02,780 --> 00:42:00,930
kind of died down and then I was working

990
00:42:04,940 --> 00:42:02,790
on the Steven J Campbell crime series in

991
00:42:06,829 --> 00:42:04,950
the head writer of the show says hey I

992
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:06,839
heard about this thing that you have I

993
00:42:13,569 --> 00:42:10,319
want to see it and this started the

994
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:13,579
whole second phase of my you know

995
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:16,890
weirdness with the UFO abduction found

996
00:42:23,059 --> 00:42:20,510
footage movies so yeah this is what in

997
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:23,069
98 when this really started to take form

998
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:26,220
ding um an opportunity arose for you

999
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:28,710
so how did that sort of come to be this

1000
00:42:34,460 --> 00:42:31,770
again I loved I loved the two acts break

1001
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:34,470
as a playwright this is I your life is

1002
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:36,690
playing out on the stage and I'm loving

1003
00:42:46,099 --> 00:42:41,460
it man so yeah give it to me no pressure

1004
00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:46,109
okay so this would have been 96 now okay

1005
00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:51,240
96 96 um we so he he wants to see I show

1006
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:52,619
it to him he says I can get us a TV

1007
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:55,560
movie deal from this and I flippantly

1008
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:57,690
say right Paul this is Paul [\h__\h] look I

1009
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:00,420
say right Paul and I said I want a story

1010
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:02,310
by credit you can write the teleplay

1011
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:04,380
I'll direct it will produce it together

1012
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:06,900
he goes okay and so the next day he

1013
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,310
calls me and says we have a meeting that

1014
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:10,920
Dick Clark Productions and so I'm

1015
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:13,290
intrigued and I'm like all right so we

1016
00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:15,510
go there and we walk in we meet Neil

1017
00:43:18,350 --> 00:43:17,339
Stearns it was the head of the TV movie

1018
00:43:21,830 --> 00:43:18,360
Department all we

1019
00:43:23,570 --> 00:43:21,840
say is Paul Watson he says hey Neil I

1020
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,580
want you to meet my friend Dean we've

1021
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:25,200
got a project we want to show you he's

1022
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:28,170
like what is it we don't say anything we

1023
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:30,930
walk over to his VCR which we had

1024
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:33,300
alerted them have a VCR and TV you know

1025
00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:35,730
ready for us we walk in we put in the

1026
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:38,520
cassette of the six minute segment from

1027
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,710
the encounter show he watches it he

1028
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:42,240
laughs his ass off and he shakes her

1029
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:44,040
hands and says you guys have a deal we

1030
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,290
walked out I turned to Paul Paul had

1031
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:48,000
written for Twilight Zone the reboot of

1032
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:49,380
Twilight Zone

1033
00:43:53,330 --> 00:43:50,760
I guess is that third we do it in the

1034
00:43:55,340 --> 00:43:53,340
making but um so he had been around he'd

1035
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:55,350
sold projects before and I turned him

1036
00:43:59,810 --> 00:43:57,690
when I go did that just happen and he

1037
00:44:03,740 --> 00:43:59,820
goes yeah I said is that normal he goes

1038
00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:03,750
no so it became something that that

1039
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:05,460
later on in life and different projects

1040
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:07,050
I've done in different genres I've never

1041
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,530
had the same success this thing seemed

1042
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:12,480
to have its own it seemed to be on a

1043
00:44:17,150 --> 00:44:15,330
treadmill that I was just a part of

1044
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:17,160
being dragged along which has never

1045
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:19,260
happened in any other genre that I've

1046
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:22,890
worked in and so we now have to find a

1047
00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:24,570
network that is going to air this and

1048
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:27,000
then based on that they pre sell it and

1049
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:28,380
pull together the funding and we go out

1050
00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:30,450
and make this thing so we went around we

1051
00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:31,950
went to Fox which was really funny

1052
00:44:39,590 --> 00:44:34,380
because there's this guy Mike Darnell

1053
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,600
who was adamant that this type of

1054
00:44:43,850 --> 00:44:42,000
project to do something like this a TV

1055
00:44:46,340 --> 00:44:43,860
movie version of our original that

1056
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,350
people would lose careers over and I

1057
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:48,480
think the meeting ended with me spilling

1058
00:44:56,330 --> 00:44:52,710
coffee on his white polar bear rug but

1059
00:44:59,360 --> 00:44:56,340
it did not go well and so the irony is

1060
00:45:00,890 --> 00:44:59,370
that only a year later they did alien

1061
00:45:03,230 --> 00:45:00,900
autopsy factor fiction

1062
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,240
oh no and he didn't lose his career so I

1063
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:06,000
don't know that that had any merit so we

1064
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,280
went to UPN they had just stored their

1065
00:45:12,350 --> 00:45:10,800
network and they're like hey we love

1066
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,360
this the woman who was running Lucy

1067
00:45:16,430 --> 00:45:14,400
something after their last name she was

1068
00:45:17,810 --> 00:45:16,440
all into it they were like kids giggling

1069
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:17,820
this is so much fun

1070
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:20,370
can't wait to do this but we need a few

1071
00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:22,230
months because we're still doing the

1072
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,460
network and we're still building that

1073
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:25,680
what the TV movie divisions going to be

1074
00:45:28,610 --> 00:45:27,270
what we want to work with you and we

1075
00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:28,620
want to do a series of movies with you

1076
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:29,880
guys because you guys seem like you're

1077
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:32,250
doing some really fun stuff so we're

1078
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:35,690
oh my god is great so months go by

1079
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:37,410
nothing's going on

1080
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:39,570
Dick Clark those guys they get impatient

1081
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:42,420
and so we go to show time show times

1082
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:44,280
like let's do it

1083
00:45:48,110 --> 00:45:45,900
great let's make a deal and now I

1084
00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:48,120
learned the two worst words in the film

1085
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:50,820
business business affairs they hold on

1086
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:53,490
to it for six months at that point

1087
00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:56,250
Dick Clark and everyone says enough and

1088
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,380
we reach back out to UPN you guys still

1089
00:46:02,690 --> 00:46:00,000
interest and they're like oh my god yes

1090
00:46:03,290 --> 00:46:02,700
so and we're ready now so we go back

1091
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:03,300
there

1092
00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:07,530
make a deal the budget now is 1.25

1093
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:11,190
million and I get further we get further

1094
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:12,780
news that we're gonna be shooting up in

1095
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:14,910
Vancouver and so the budgets gonna be

1096
00:46:21,140 --> 00:46:18,330
really about 1.6 maybe 1.7 because of

1097
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,150
the value of the dollar Wow so I have my

1098
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:24,480
first anxiety attack yeah I like I'm

1099
00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:27,090
freaking out because I don't know how to

1100
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:31,320
spend 1.25 let alone 1.7 this shouldn't

1101
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:34,260
cost that much um ray and I and and I

1102
00:46:37,780 --> 00:46:35,520
start thinking why don't we just show

1103
00:46:40,310 --> 00:46:37,790
the original it's already been done yeah

1104
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:40,320
again I'm not really appreciating what

1105
00:46:43,850 --> 00:46:42,450
all the enthusiasm is I swear to god I'm

1106
00:46:46,820 --> 00:46:43,860
kinda like it's already been done it's a

1107
00:46:49,340 --> 00:46:46,830
gimmick we're gonna redo this okay all

1108
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:49,350
right now they wonder all scripted we're

1109
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:50,850
we're gonna go up and we're gonna hire

1110
00:46:55,850 --> 00:46:53,730
Canadian actors I'm like Kim all right

1111
00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:55,860
let's do this in a week so instead of

1112
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,510
one night it's in a week but that's

1113
00:47:01,610 --> 00:47:00,240
still not enough to eat up the money I'm

1114
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:01,620
like let's get the guys from the x-files

1115
00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:03,810
do the ship and aliens so we get them

1116
00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:06,030
we've got Clyde clots to do the ship he

1117
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,030
later on married Gillian Anderson

1118
00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:11,280
Gillian Anderson and they had a kid

1119
00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:14,070
together and then Toby land Allah who

1120
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:15,960
did all the creature effects for the

1121
00:47:21,350 --> 00:47:18,450
x-files he does the the masks and the

1122
00:47:23,890 --> 00:47:21,360
and the gloves and so on so so we have

1123
00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:23,900
that and then we hire these actors and

1124
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:26,190
it's about two weeks before we're about

1125
00:47:30,620 --> 00:47:28,200
to shoot a week and a half before about

1126
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,630
to shoot and then we get word that the

1127
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:32,640
script that we have the 90 page script

1128
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:36,770
is timing out at only 45 minutes know

1129
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,440
which you know what that means do you

1130
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:42,480
not good it means that the running time

1131
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:46,020
of it is half the length and so it means

1132
00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:48,900
you now have to literally double the

1133
00:47:53,090 --> 00:47:49,980
length of the script

1134
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,100
oh god that seems like a nightmare to me

1135
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:55,680
I mean a lot of writers look at it that

1136
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:57,300
is an opportunity but when you're this

1137
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,880
close to crunch time of like filming I

1138
00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:01,920
can't imagine like what then what the

1139
00:48:06,140 --> 00:48:03,480
hell are you gonna do you have to create

1140
00:48:09,620 --> 00:48:06,150
a whole new story it's it's literally a

1141
00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:09,630
whole new movie so I wrote a whole new

1142
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:12,630
outline I gave half of it to Paul and he

1143
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:13,740
wrote that half and I wrote the other

1144
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:15,900
half I wrote including the itami

1145
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:23,400
confessional stuff unless McPherson we

1146
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:32,690
[Music]

1147
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:36,300
I think I killed my brother's Kurt and

1148
00:49:02,090 --> 00:48:52,940
I'm really afraid I don't think we're

1149
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:02,100
gonna make it I miss my dad which I

1150
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:02,970
believe was the first time a

1151
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:04,410
confessional had ever been done before

1152
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:07,920
in this genre and so now the script was

1153
00:49:14,060 --> 00:49:11,010
a hundred and forty-five pages or 100

1154
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:14,070
and 160 pages and the the greatest coven

1155
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,510
that we got was that the actors were so

1156
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:17,520
into this and by the way it was called

1157
00:49:21,260 --> 00:49:19,290
the Macpherson tape at the time it was

1158
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:21,270
not called alien abduction incident like

1159
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:24,450
County so there was this mystique around

1160
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:26,940
it even when they were shooting the

1161
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:28,110
reboot of Outer Limits

1162
00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:29,940
and Stargate I think that was being shot

1163
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,220
around there as well it was like this is

1164
00:49:36,410 --> 00:49:34,800
the cool theme that that because again

1165
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:36,420
there was had been no found footage

1166
00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:38,040
thing they thought we were doing some

1167
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:38,550
weird [\h__\h]

1168
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:43,410
and so we we go to shoot yes we rewrite

1169
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:48,660
and so this this actress sends me a card

1170
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:52,800
and in the card are her tickets for the

1171
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:55,410
World Series she says I want to let you

1172
00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:57,690
know that I am a huge I forgot who was

1173
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:59,130
in the World Series at that time she was

1174
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:00,480
I'm a huge fan of them but I'm a bigger

1175
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:04,380
fan of our project so I am NOT going to

1176
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:05,730
be going and I'm gonna be learning my

1177
00:50:10,070 --> 00:50:06,450
new lines

1178
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:10,080
wow what a testament oh my god that was

1179
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,330
that was just the sweetest gift that

1180
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:14,880
that that you could ever get and it and

1181
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:16,530
it kind of fueled us to feel even more

1182
00:50:21,860 --> 00:50:19,200
empowered at what we were doing so we

1183
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:21,870
get them all together and and and we

1184
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:24,330
shoot this thing and I am remembering

1185
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:27,210
that the last shooting day Friday I

1186
00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:30,570
remember we were only able to do one or

1187
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:33,030
two takes a night and I know I think it

1188
00:50:39,020 --> 00:50:35,460
was only one ticket night and so so on

1189
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:39,030
Friday we do our take and it did not

1190
00:50:42,020 --> 00:50:39,450
work

1191
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:42,030
there was the energy was really laksa

1192
00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:44,370
days achill it was depressing it just it

1193
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:46,500
had no sense of urgency

1194
00:50:51,380 --> 00:50:49,530
was awful and and by the way the way

1195
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,390
that we shot this was I didn't play the

1196
00:50:56,030 --> 00:50:53,280
kid this time we hired a real DP to come

1197
00:50:58,460 --> 00:50:56,040
in and the actor who played Tommy the

1198
00:51:00,410 --> 00:50:58,470
kid we had him dressed in an outfit that

1199
00:51:01,970 --> 00:51:00,420
the cameraman or the cameraman was

1200
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:01,980
rather he was wearing what the kid was

1201
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:03,960
wearing and so the actor would be

1202
00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:06,420
holding onto the back buckle the back

1203
00:51:12,260 --> 00:51:10,260
belt of a camera guy feeding all the

1204
00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:12,270
actors of lines so all the actors had to

1205
00:51:16,580 --> 00:51:14,430
not look at at Christian airs who was

1206
00:51:18,110 --> 00:51:16,590
playing the Tommy they had to look at

1207
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:18,120
the cameraman so that was a real

1208
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:21,570
challenge for them so I'm sequestered in

1209
00:51:26,810 --> 00:51:24,210
in a room and this property that we own

1210
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:26,820
for this and I am telling the director

1211
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:29,850
like a sporting event pan right go up to

1212
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:32,880
them and whip pan over to your left so

1213
00:51:35,540 --> 00:51:34,050
I'm given all the direction and that's

1214
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:35,550
it and then I can hear what the actors

1215
00:51:40,310 --> 00:51:37,740
are saying and so and then I'm cueing

1216
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:40,320
again cueing the ADEs and so that was

1217
00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:42,330
the apparatus that we had in order to to

1218
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:45,390
cover this so here we are Friday we

1219
00:51:50,750 --> 00:51:48,570
shoot it awful horrendous rat of time

1220
00:51:52,460 --> 00:51:50,760
that said it's a union crew and a story

1221
00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:52,470
so it was a non-union crew we could keep

1222
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:55,350
going so I go to the actors and I'm

1223
00:51:59,000 --> 00:51:57,510
going what's what happened what's going

1224
00:52:00,500 --> 00:51:59,010
on here let's let's talk about this and

1225
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:00,510
they're like yeah we don't know we're

1226
00:52:04,580 --> 00:52:02,610
just kind of this is so depressing bla

1227
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,590
bla and I'm talking them and then I

1228
00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:06,720
realize what the problem is they all

1229
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:10,950
know that the the men the brothers who

1230
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:13,680
took off are not coming back and so I

1231
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,960
tell them all right I'm gonna rewrite

1232
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,480
the script I know what I'm gonna do I'm

1233
00:52:22,070 --> 00:52:20,400
gonna need you to just roll with me but

1234
00:52:23,660 --> 00:52:22,080
they're gonna come back so just just

1235
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:23,670
know that they're gonna come back okay

1236
00:52:29,630 --> 00:52:26,190
just like you know you know we have it

1237
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:29,640
so we go off and shoot it and we beg the

1238
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:31,530
crew to give us another take because

1239
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:32,910
we're gonna go into like golden hour or

1240
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:35,400
whatever and they're so in it they're

1241
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:37,290
like fine you because you know we don't

1242
00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:38,940
have the budget for it even though we're

1243
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:40,920
five hundred thousand under budget once

1244
00:52:44,780 --> 00:52:42,510
you sign off on a budget with Dick Clark

1245
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:44,790
there's no contingency you do it that's

1246
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:47,310
it so they all agreed to do that all the

1247
00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:50,010
actors everyone again which was a great

1248
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:51,390
compliment to their commitment to him

1249
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:54,180
and we shot it again I did not bring him

1250
00:52:59,840 --> 00:52:57,540
back so it ends in the way that it was

1251
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:59,850
no kind of shock and dismay and

1252
00:53:04,099 --> 00:53:00,240
everything

1253
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:04,109
and worked well and so you know kudos to

1254
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:05,760
them and big thanks to them for doing

1255
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:08,520
that so we shoot this thing and and then

1256
00:53:12,109 --> 00:53:10,410
we find out if we found out in that

1257
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:12,119
Friday or the Thursday before we find

1258
00:53:16,820 --> 00:53:14,250
out that everyone at the network got

1259
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,830
fired so we don't know what that means

1260
00:53:20,690 --> 00:53:18,240
all we know is that we're almost done

1261
00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:20,700
with the film and we've got foreign

1262
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:22,920
sales already paid for so we know we

1263
00:53:26,780 --> 00:53:24,690
don't have to worry about UPN we finish

1264
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:26,790
it we come back we're feeling elated

1265
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:30,210
exhausted but elated and then they tell

1266
00:53:34,310 --> 00:53:31,770
us that they want to see in two weeks

1267
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:34,320
time they want to finish cut with all

1268
00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:36,810
the visual special effects all the CGI

1269
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:38,760
so we raced around the clock to get it

1270
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:40,290
Dick Clark wants it off their calendar

1271
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:44,730
so now we're at 19 we're 1997 hey guys

1272
00:53:49,940 --> 00:53:47,730
so in December 1997 we have to get it

1273
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:49,950
all done so they can air this in January

1274
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:54,650
and so we finish it in two weeks and

1275
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:59,040
give it to them and the head of the TV

1276
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:00,900
movie department at UPN who did not get

1277
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:04,770
fired John lemmas he calls and he says

1278
00:54:07,730 --> 00:54:06,210
all right I just got the executive

1279
00:54:09,710 --> 00:54:07,740
screening and we're like okay and he

1280
00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:09,720
says I'm just letting you know I'm gonna

1281
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:10,980
be honest with you that was the worst

1282
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:13,680
effing screen of my career they were

1283
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,260
literally throwing food at the screen he

1284
00:54:20,359 --> 00:54:18,480
said literally throwing and there was a

1285
00:54:23,420 --> 00:54:20,369
banana or a Snickers bar but there were

1286
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,430
throwing food at it saying how could

1287
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:25,440
this the people who were who ran the

1288
00:54:29,810 --> 00:54:27,300
network beforehand how could they think

1289
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:29,820
this was even a good idea on any level

1290
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:32,130
you shot you know the first time that

1291
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:33,630
you know you'd shot a movie with you

1292
00:54:39,380 --> 00:54:36,900
know name actors 20 minute takes you you

1293
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:39,390
shot it on digital video what the hell

1294
00:54:44,540 --> 00:54:42,210
is that so we did everything it was

1295
00:54:46,820 --> 00:54:44,550
antithesis of a TV movie and in their

1296
00:54:50,660 --> 00:54:46,830
eyes because it had again it it's good

1297
00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:50,670
to be new and and be fresh it's not good

1298
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:53,400
to be too early with new and fresh and

1299
00:54:59,180 --> 00:54:56,310
so they fired us

1300
00:55:01,280 --> 00:54:59,190
everyone got fired and they brought in

1301
00:55:03,620 --> 00:55:01,290
this woman who came in and she cut it

1302
00:55:06,140 --> 00:55:03,630
from two hours to an hour and we had had

1303
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:06,150
interstitial interviews in it of these

1304
00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:08,609
fake experts well this woman brought in

1305
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:11,400
real experts including dr. Stanton

1306
00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:13,650
Friedman and Yvonne Smith Darryl

1307
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:16,470
Sims and a few others and did interviews

1308
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:18,690
with them and then edit it into our show

1309
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:21,839
as as if they were commenting on the

1310
00:55:25,460 --> 00:55:23,730
veracity of what we had done lending

1311
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:25,470
credibility to it within the UFO

1312
00:55:32,359 --> 00:55:29,369
community when I heard about this I was

1313
00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:32,369
shocked I think since thousands of

1314
00:55:37,819 --> 00:55:34,950
people disappear every year we cannot

1315
00:55:41,180 --> 00:55:37,829
rule out that having happened there may

1316
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,190
be earthlings and aliens ooze or enjoy

1317
00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:43,200
themselves in an alien playground I

1318
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:46,470
don't know but in general of course we

1319
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:48,930
get our information from people who come

1320
00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:51,599
back and I didn't hear about this until

1321
00:55:56,029 --> 00:55:53,819
after it aired in fact when it aired

1322
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:56,039
that was the first time but I saw it so

1323
00:56:00,260 --> 00:55:57,240
I'm watching and moving all of a sudden

1324
00:56:01,910 --> 00:56:00,270
there's Stan Freeman and I been knocking

1325
00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:01,920
on my ass I could not believe it they

1326
00:56:06,589 --> 00:56:04,140
had done this because I'm a huge fan of

1327
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:06,599
the genre of the phenomenon I should say

1328
00:56:12,859 --> 00:56:09,359
and so here were these people that were

1329
00:56:16,279 --> 00:56:12,869
taking my idols and you know perverting

1330
00:56:18,980 --> 00:56:16,289
it into this and and also tarnishing the

1331
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:18,990
credibility of this now there were

1332
00:56:22,819 --> 00:56:21,390
credits at the end of the film so it

1333
00:56:24,589 --> 00:56:22,829
gave a way that here was you know the

1334
00:56:27,260 --> 00:56:24,599
suspension of disbelief so you can fully

1335
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:27,270
engage in this cinematic experience that

1336
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:28,710
was all set up that was all the

1337
00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:30,450
parameters but once you put in people

1338
00:56:34,279 --> 00:56:32,099
real people and you inject them into it

1339
00:56:36,829 --> 00:56:34,289
and you don't tell them unbeknownst to

1340
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:36,839
them yeah unbeknownst to them now you're

1341
00:56:40,279 --> 00:56:37,619
a scammer

1342
00:56:44,829 --> 00:56:40,289
and so I was shocked by that in fact I

1343
00:56:47,329 --> 00:56:44,839
had heard Stanton on coast to coast and

1344
00:56:49,069 --> 00:56:47,339
someone called in and said you know they

1345
00:56:50,269 --> 00:56:49,079
were mentioning this and he's like what

1346
00:56:51,769 --> 00:56:50,279
and then he was wondering if he had a

1347
00:56:55,609 --> 00:56:51,779
case to sue them and I was hoping he

1348
00:56:57,079 --> 00:56:55,619
would he did not but you know Stan gets

1349
00:56:58,700 --> 00:56:57,089
called to do many things he doesn't know

1350
00:57:02,990 --> 00:56:58,710
you know you can't track all this stuff

1351
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:03,000
but anyway so the two-hour version was

1352
00:57:07,849 --> 00:57:05,599
released in Europe in Canada and

1353
00:57:11,180 --> 00:57:07,859
continued to play for many years and

1354
00:57:12,740 --> 00:57:11,190
that did fantastic and so the the happy

1355
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:12,750
ending and all this is that even though

1356
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:14,700
it was cut down to an hour they had

1357
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:17,130
entered a second time and put even more

1358
00:57:21,620 --> 00:57:19,170
footage in with the help of secret

1359
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:21,630
government Declassified unscrambling

1360
00:57:26,660 --> 00:57:24,329
technology right everyone for that even

1361
00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:26,670
as 14-year old does like what

1362
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:28,920
yeah yeah that was a mouthful it's like

1363
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:31,290
okay and so because what it happened was

1364
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:33,240
when it aired the first time it was a

1365
00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:35,490
Tuesday primetime show it got him their

1366
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:37,800
highest ratings so they put more footage

1367
00:57:42,050 --> 00:57:39,450
in did even better and then the head of

1368
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:42,060
the network said that show will never be

1369
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:45,480
on this goddamn Network again and so and

1370
00:57:51,350 --> 00:57:48,960
so we were like you know we were

1371
00:57:54,110 --> 00:57:51,360
blackballed there and the fact that it

1372
00:57:56,030 --> 00:57:54,120
did well you know really didn't look

1373
00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:56,040
look good for this that you know the new

1374
00:58:00,890 --> 00:57:59,160
guy who was wearing things so so it

1375
00:58:01,970 --> 00:58:00,900
never aired again we didn't you know all

1376
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:01,980
the deals that we were going to do with

1377
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,570
them for other TV movies all of that

1378
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:05,280
went away even though we hit the mark

1379
00:58:09,260 --> 00:58:07,140
and scored beyond everyone's you know

1380
00:58:11,810 --> 00:58:09,270
expectations that's just how the

1381
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:11,820
business works so so that kind of we

1382
00:58:19,070 --> 00:58:14,880
thought again well that's it and the

1383
00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:19,080
story flash-forward to a few years later

1384
00:58:23,540 --> 00:58:21,750
and oh and by the way after the credits

1385
00:58:25,310 --> 00:58:23,550
were on there that said alien 1 & 2

1386
00:58:27,050 --> 00:58:25,320
played by so-and-so hee hee

1387
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:27,060
there was an online poll it was the

1388
00:58:31,550 --> 00:58:28,710
first time that a network had ever done

1389
00:58:33,140 --> 00:58:31,560
this but they did an online poll asking

1390
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:33,150
if people believed it was real or not

1391
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:37,200
again this is after all the credits 49%

1392
00:58:42,050 --> 00:58:39,660
I have a printout of it 49 percent of

1393
00:58:45,530 --> 00:58:42,060
those who took the poll believed it was

1394
00:58:47,330 --> 00:58:45,540
still real Wow which I thought there was

1395
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:47,340
a glitch in the system I didn't I didn't

1396
00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:49,370
believe it I I was sure that that was

1397
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:53,310
you know some miscalculation so a few

1398
00:58:58,340 --> 00:58:56,850
years go by and in between that time a

1399
00:59:01,420 --> 00:58:58,350
year and a half later blur which comes

1400
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:01,430
out and now it's this accepted new

1401
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:05,040
technique that's being used and hats off

1402
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:07,140
to those guys did a great job they did

1403
00:59:12,020 --> 00:59:09,330
better than I did it and in a few areas

1404
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:12,030
and and they also submitted to Sundance

1405
00:59:16,580 --> 00:59:14,370
which I wish we had done that was a

1406
00:59:18,740 --> 00:59:16,590
genius idea I kind of again I

1407
00:59:21,350 --> 00:59:18,750
underestimated this every step along the

1408
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:21,360
way okay you were you were ahead of the

1409
00:59:26,330 --> 00:59:23,250
game you didn't know yeah there there

1410
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:26,340
was no path being paved for sure no and

1411
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:30,690
so we so so that came out and then

1412
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:32,970
others came out and it started this kind

1413
00:59:36,980 --> 00:59:35,460
of whole thing rolling and and then over

1414
00:59:40,220 --> 00:59:36,990
the years I would have people reach out

1415
00:59:40,460 --> 00:59:40,230
to me and then now email is was up and

1416
00:59:43,339 --> 00:59:40,470
run

1417
00:59:44,990 --> 00:59:43,349
and and then I started getting calls

1418
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:45,000
from friends of mine saying hey you need

1419
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:47,130
to Google yourself yeah this is where

1420
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:50,310
the conspiracy aspect sort of comes in

1421
00:59:56,450 --> 00:59:53,250
with you you became like a conspiracy

1422
00:59:58,609 --> 00:59:56,460
theorist stream online I remember I

1423
01:00:01,099 --> 00:59:58,619
remember going to these websites in

1424
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:01,109
these forums I think it was called like

1425
01:00:06,620 --> 01:00:04,650
the para forums back in the day and this

1426
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:06,630
is long before I'd ever been introduced

1427
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:09,690
to you and I'm like oh man this dude's

1428
01:00:14,809 --> 01:00:13,290
working for the government yeah you got

1429
01:00:16,790 --> 01:00:14,819
to run me through some of these this

1430
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:16,800
these incredible things that people were

1431
01:00:23,329 --> 01:00:19,170
saying about you well the the part 2 of

1432
01:00:26,569 --> 01:00:23,339
the Act too is that it ran away from me

1433
01:00:30,770 --> 01:00:26,579
I got away got away from us and took a

1434
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:30,780
life on a life of its own and I went and

1435
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:32,700
googled myself the first time I had done

1436
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:35,609
that that I'm going to admit and and I

1437
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:38,130
just put in Denali or no aliens or UFOs

1438
01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:41,250
and then I found hundreds of pages of

1439
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:44,700
people who were fans of the film which

1440
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:46,890
was great and then I clicked on a few of

1441
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:48,930
these and discovered that there were

1442
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:52,200
some conspiracy theories about this and

1443
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:54,660
most of them were purporting that it was

1444
01:01:00,020 --> 01:00:57,450
actually real that was the first level

1445
01:01:02,359 --> 01:01:00,030
and I thought oh well maybe that that

1446
01:01:04,250 --> 01:01:02,369
that survey that they did online survey

1447
01:01:05,780 --> 01:01:04,260
was was accurate maybe people do believe

1448
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:05,790
that but that makes no sense because we

1449
01:01:11,150 --> 01:01:08,490
had credits there we we let the cat out

1450
01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:11,160
of the bag and then I dug in deeper to

1451
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:12,420
some of the conspiracy theories out

1452
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:15,810
there and saw that they were aware that

1453
01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:17,970
this was a remake and they believed that

1454
01:01:23,420 --> 01:01:21,089
maybe the second one was fake but the

1455
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:23,430
original was real and the next layer

1456
01:01:28,190 --> 01:01:25,410
down was that I had been hired by the

1457
01:01:31,690 --> 01:01:28,200
government to remake the original to

1458
01:01:34,609 --> 01:01:31,700
throw people off the authenticity of the

1459
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:34,619
original which I took I mean I looked at

1460
01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:37,920
this and it was again part of me is I

1461
01:01:43,099 --> 01:01:39,540
feel like Forrest Gump going through

1462
01:01:44,809 --> 01:01:43,109
this you know experience I I feel like

1463
01:01:46,460 --> 01:01:44,819
it's carrying me more than I'm doing

1464
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:46,470
anything to it so I kind of felt like

1465
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:49,650
you know aspect in a way and so I I will

1466
01:01:54,289 --> 01:01:52,079
admit I enjoyed the absurdity of it and

1467
01:01:55,759 --> 01:01:54,299
when I you know all of my friends

1468
01:01:58,099 --> 01:01:55,769
and other filmmakers would be like dude

1469
01:02:00,380 --> 01:01:58,109
this is this is you know this is so

1470
01:02:03,709 --> 01:02:00,390
great and and what a weird social

1471
01:02:05,779 --> 01:02:03,719
experience this is experimenting so it

1472
01:02:09,949 --> 01:02:05,789
just it went on and on and then I

1473
01:02:12,410 --> 01:02:09,959
started being concerned about how this

1474
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:12,420
was affecting my you know favorite

1475
01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:15,119
phenomenon and and the supporters of

1476
01:02:21,380 --> 01:02:17,630
that the UFO and alien phenomenon and so

1477
01:02:25,370 --> 01:02:21,390
I started going on these sites and I

1478
01:02:29,569 --> 01:02:25,380
became a debunker of my own my own

1479
01:02:31,009 --> 01:02:29,579
hostess and so it became this thing that

1480
01:02:32,809 --> 01:02:31,019
I would do kind of as a pastime where I

1481
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,819
go on and say guys look this this isn't

1482
01:02:35,089 --> 01:02:34,319
real here's some behind-the-scenes

1483
01:02:36,979 --> 01:02:35,099
footage

1484
01:02:39,529 --> 01:02:36,989
there's the aliens it's the same place

1485
01:02:41,419 --> 01:02:39,539
bah blah blah and most of the sites

1486
01:02:44,059 --> 01:02:41,429
rolled with it and were grateful for it

1487
01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:44,069
I think bad movie planet was the first

1488
01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:46,049
one I hit and then there was project

1489
01:02:50,539 --> 01:02:48,209
absurd and then it went all the way to

1490
01:02:52,849 --> 01:02:50,549
the point where last year I was doing I

1491
01:02:54,859 --> 01:02:52,859
think it's called found-footage Critic

1492
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:54,869
which is right side these guys are

1493
01:02:58,429 --> 01:02:55,380
terrific

1494
01:03:00,439 --> 01:02:58,439
and so I just I kept doing that and then

1495
01:03:02,269 --> 01:03:00,449
I looked at the comments and I saw that

1496
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:02,279
people were not ready to let go of this

1497
01:03:08,539 --> 01:03:05,130
conspiracy they were holding on to it

1498
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:08,549
tight man and no matter what I did I was

1499
01:03:14,689 --> 01:03:11,249
considered to be a fraud part of a

1500
01:03:17,779 --> 01:03:14,699
disinformation campaign and and it

1501
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:17,789
started to kind of at some point I just

1502
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:20,609
had to kind of let it go and say alright

1503
01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:23,910
well that you know what I can do is I

1504
01:03:28,819 --> 01:03:26,609
can shut down websites and I can shut

1505
01:03:30,109 --> 01:03:28,829
their shut down YouTube that puts up

1506
01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:30,119
this stuff and it's purporting it to be

1507
01:03:34,669 --> 01:03:32,729
real so the the YouTube infringement

1508
01:03:36,499 --> 01:03:34,679
copyright infringement department I I've

1509
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:36,509
gotten to know each other really well so

1510
01:03:41,539 --> 01:03:39,839
I'm sure a lot of time once a month I go

1511
01:03:43,789 --> 01:03:41,549
and I see who's been putting up my film

1512
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:43,799
and saying this and that and I I knew

1513
01:03:47,989 --> 01:03:45,689
could I take it down and and started

1514
01:03:51,009 --> 01:03:47,999
doing some podcasts and stuff as well to

1515
01:03:54,049 --> 01:03:51,019
say hey this isn't this isn't real and

1516
01:03:56,689 --> 01:03:54,059
you know it's again a complement huge

1517
01:03:58,969 --> 01:03:56,699
complement to the cast and crew again I

1518
01:04:02,029 --> 01:03:58,979
kind of thought that that that was it

1519
01:04:03,949 --> 01:04:02,039
that was the end of that chapter and and

1520
01:04:05,689 --> 01:04:03,959
I had been invited to talk about and

1521
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:05,699
I've invited to go to conventions UFO

1522
01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:08,160
conventions and stuff and I

1523
01:04:15,980 --> 01:04:11,160
steered clear of that because I'd have

1524
01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:15,990
to admit I was worried that there would

1525
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:19,380
be some overzealous proponents for for

1526
01:04:24,349 --> 01:04:23,130
this being actual nonfiction right that

1527
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:24,359
they would come after me and so I was

1528
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:26,490
kind of scared about that and so I I

1529
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:29,839
kind of you know shied away from that

1530
01:04:36,589 --> 01:04:33,510
until I tell this year that's kind of

1531
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:36,599
where I I started corresponding with you

1532
01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:39,690
because I'd spoken at a convention last

1533
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:42,150
year the International UFO Congress in

1534
01:04:47,930 --> 01:04:45,119
Arizona and I saw the speaker's list

1535
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:47,940
this year saw you on there started

1536
01:04:52,339 --> 01:04:49,770
bringing back all these memories about

1537
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:52,349
your film and I was like oh my god I got

1538
01:04:58,190 --> 01:04:54,930
to talk to this guy CCSD memories

1539
01:04:59,779 --> 01:04:58,200
exactly yeah yeah um and I can't tell ya

1540
01:05:02,089 --> 01:04:59,789
you know the sleepless nights after

1541
01:05:04,250 --> 01:05:02,099
watching that and recording it you know

1542
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:04,260
on my old VHS I think I wore that thing

1543
01:05:08,900 --> 01:05:06,960
out just rewinding and rewinding I even

1544
01:05:13,789 --> 01:05:08,910
I you know what I never told you this

1545
01:05:17,180 --> 01:05:13,799
but I brought that bootleg VHS into my

1546
01:05:21,529 --> 01:05:17,190
middle school class I believe and showed

1547
01:05:25,339 --> 01:05:21,539
it to my entire class and again you know

1548
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:25,349
I am one of those culprits that did not

1549
01:05:31,549 --> 01:05:27,569
show them the credits afterwards and

1550
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:31,559
said watch this so I have to I may have

1551
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:33,690
fueled those conspiracies I know there's

1552
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:35,970
conspiracies man so I do apologize but

1553
01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:39,930
back to uh back to now back to 2018 so

1554
01:05:47,150 --> 01:05:44,190
this is what the 25th anniversary of the

1555
01:05:49,220 --> 01:05:47,160
original film is that correct it it is

1556
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:49,230
it's so funny that you say that you

1557
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:52,650
showed it there is a apparently the

1558
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:56,970
subculture of kids who do that in fact

1559
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,559
if you go online it's this is the only

1560
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,720
one that I've let have my phone remain

1561
01:06:05,539 --> 01:06:02,160
there there are these high school kids

1562
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:05,549
and they interview their friends about

1563
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:07,410
UFOs ask them questions and stuff and

1564
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:09,450
then they sit them down to watch my

1565
01:06:12,589 --> 01:06:11,130
original movie and and then they

1566
01:06:14,980 --> 01:06:12,599
videotape their reaction

1567
01:06:17,980 --> 01:06:14,990
apparently there's a whole subculture of

1568
01:06:21,319 --> 01:06:17,990
videos where people do reactions of

1569
01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:21,329
anything and this has been hijacked into

1570
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:22,020
that

1571
01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:27,690
because you know at the end most these

1572
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:28,680
people you know they're letting them

1573
01:06:33,140 --> 01:06:31,440
know but it's it's kind of getting their

1574
01:06:36,380 --> 01:06:33,150
reaction and seeing what they think so

1575
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:36,390
again I get kind of the the the

1576
01:06:41,180 --> 01:06:38,460
craftsmanship or the you know we get a

1577
01:06:42,849 --> 01:06:41,190
test the fabric if this thing still is

1578
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:42,859
working if it's still an effective story

1579
01:06:49,099 --> 01:06:45,599
that's hysterical that you did that even

1580
01:06:52,180 --> 01:06:49,109
back then you might be epicenter of all

1581
01:06:58,539 --> 01:06:52,190
the the conspiracies of that but anyway

1582
01:07:01,370 --> 01:06:58,549
yeah so um so I am I got somehow

1583
01:07:03,049 --> 01:07:01,380
Alejandro Rojas who does the

1584
01:07:07,370 --> 01:07:03,059
International UFO Congress convention

1585
01:07:08,839 --> 01:07:07,380
now we connected and he threw actually

1586
01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:08,849
Jennifer Stein who did a great

1587
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:13,529
documentary on Travis Walton he said you

1588
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:15,930
know the idea was that this is the 25th

1589
01:07:20,359 --> 01:07:17,910
anniversary coming up this was like

1590
01:07:21,799 --> 01:07:20,369
about eight months ago he said you know

1591
01:07:24,260 --> 01:07:21,809
the 25th anniversary is coming up with

1592
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:24,270
this film it'd be great to have you come

1593
01:07:31,849 --> 01:07:28,410
out and speak about this and and maybe

1594
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:31,859
show the film again and I thought yeah

1595
01:07:36,410 --> 01:07:33,690
again I I'm nervous about this and I

1596
01:07:38,930 --> 01:07:36,420
told alejandro alejandro by the way is

1597
01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:38,940
the coolest one of the coolest guys that

1598
01:07:44,990 --> 01:07:42,660
I've met he's very funny he there's you

1599
01:07:47,660 --> 01:07:45,000
know the same that that I learned it's

1600
01:07:50,690 --> 01:07:47,670
like dropped every 10 minutes I think at

1601
01:07:53,180 --> 01:07:50,700
UFO conventions which is rabbit hole

1602
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:53,190
don't go there's a rabbit hole or if you

1603
01:07:58,670 --> 01:07:54,510
go into the rabbit hole here it's really

1604
01:08:00,260 --> 01:07:58,680
deep and and he and I both subscribe to

1605
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:00,270
the belief that you'd never want to go

1606
01:08:03,140 --> 01:08:01,770
too far down the rabbit hole you know

1607
01:08:05,660 --> 01:08:03,150
you always want to leave crumbs to get

1608
01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:05,670
yourself out because it can go really

1609
01:08:10,279 --> 01:08:07,859
deep and you can get lost in it and then

1610
01:08:13,279 --> 01:08:10,289
you've lost all objectivity well he said

1611
01:08:17,149 --> 01:08:13,289
I think you're under estimating the the

1612
01:08:20,059 --> 01:08:17,159
the UFO community because they do have a

1613
01:08:21,890 --> 01:08:20,069
sense of humor they do have you know

1614
01:08:23,660 --> 01:08:21,900
they can appreciate what you were doing

1615
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,670
and not that you were trying to prank

1616
01:08:27,559 --> 01:08:25,199
anyone what your initial intentions were

1617
01:08:30,379 --> 01:08:27,569
they get it and at the other day it's

1618
01:08:32,450 --> 01:08:30,389
it's a fun story trust me he says

1619
01:08:35,329 --> 01:08:32,460
they're gonna you know so with his

1620
01:08:38,269 --> 01:08:35,339
promising of it being fine I

1621
01:08:40,459 --> 01:08:38,279
to go out and to uh to show it and he

1622
01:08:41,809 --> 01:08:40,469
said I want you show up but I also want

1623
01:08:44,419 --> 01:08:41,819
you to talk about it so I want you to

1624
01:08:46,430 --> 01:08:44,429
give a lecture and I was like oh cool

1625
01:08:48,289 --> 01:08:46,440
so it's like a QA that would be fun and

1626
01:08:49,939 --> 01:08:48,299
be great to get Stan Freeman to come out

1627
01:08:51,649 --> 01:08:49,949
or have you you know moderate it because

1628
01:08:54,289 --> 01:08:51,659
I've done festivals film festivals where

1629
01:08:57,169 --> 01:08:54,299
we do Q&A s after and he's like we don't

1630
01:08:58,700 --> 01:08:57,179
really do that we have panels which I

1631
01:09:01,729 --> 01:08:58,710
want to get you on where we do that but

1632
01:09:06,349 --> 01:09:01,739
no this is you lecturing for 75 minutes

1633
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:06,359
just you which I had never done before

1634
01:09:12,140 --> 01:09:10,049
you know like so I tell him I go alright

1635
01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:12,150
yeah I'll just go up and I'll you know

1636
01:09:16,939 --> 01:09:15,060
wing it sure we'll do it now he here's

1637
01:09:18,379 --> 01:09:16,949
wing it and it's echoing in this air and

1638
01:09:21,620 --> 01:09:18,389
so he calls me like two months before

1639
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:21,630
the convention and he says he says okay

1640
01:09:27,559 --> 01:09:24,049
so you feel good about your PowerPoint

1641
01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:27,569
presentation your keynote thing and I'm

1642
01:09:31,999 --> 01:09:29,940
like well yeah it's just gonna be me me

1643
01:09:34,999 --> 01:09:32,009
talking and he said oh you're not gonna

1644
01:09:36,589 --> 01:09:35,009
have any slides or anything but I go

1645
01:09:37,820 --> 01:09:36,599
well no I mean people know about it

1646
01:09:39,979 --> 01:09:37,830
right I don't have to I can just do that

1647
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:39,989
but I go it'll be fine

1648
01:09:45,109 --> 01:09:42,960
and he goes okay and so I got the thong

1649
01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:45,119
and I'm like he didn't seem okay about

1650
01:09:49,579 --> 01:09:48,060
that I I better do some homework so I go

1651
01:09:51,289 --> 01:09:49,589
online and I take a look at other

1652
01:09:53,599 --> 01:09:51,299
international you know other Congress

1653
01:09:55,879 --> 01:09:53,609
speakers mm-hmm and I see that these

1654
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:55,889
guys are banging out these pictures and

1655
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:58,170
footage they've got the keynote there

1656
01:10:05,780 --> 01:10:01,920
it's like a TED talk yep and and and

1657
01:10:07,220 --> 01:10:05,790
even more so with it and so I start to

1658
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:07,230
freak out and I realize I've

1659
01:10:11,959 --> 01:10:09,210
underestimated with what the

1660
01:10:15,530 --> 01:10:11,969
expectations are of me here and and

1661
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:15,540
pressure sets in and so I cram you know

1662
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:18,570
like a midterm I'm cramming to get all

1663
01:10:23,390 --> 01:10:20,250
these pictures and stuff and tell this

1664
01:10:25,580 --> 01:10:23,400
story and have something of a script but

1665
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:25,590
I can work off of and I end up pulling

1666
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:28,400
together about 72 pictures and about

1667
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:31,770
five video clips together including

1668
01:10:39,109 --> 01:10:36,239
clip of of shurima makalah's great

1669
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:39,119
audition which no one had seen before by

1670
01:10:43,220 --> 01:10:40,320
the way that was the first time anyone

1671
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:43,230
had seen any of this stuff and so you

1672
01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:46,080
know I put all together and nervously

1673
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:49,260
set out to speak to these people and

1674
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:50,820
and got there and the first thing they

1675
01:10:56,150 --> 01:10:52,890
did is they put me on a podcast that

1676
01:10:58,750 --> 01:10:56,160
Martin Willis did our podcast UFL and so

1677
01:11:02,120 --> 01:10:58,760
I get there and the first one there and

1678
01:11:04,580 --> 01:11:02,130
I'm like all right well it's my first

1679
01:11:06,650 --> 01:11:04,590
you know UFO podcast this should be fine

1680
01:11:09,260 --> 01:11:06,660
and then in walks

1681
01:11:13,220 --> 01:11:09,270
Jennifer Stein okay Jennifer and then in

1682
01:11:17,330 --> 01:11:13,230
walks Travis Walton and then Nick Pope

1683
01:11:21,290 --> 01:11:17,340
and then Stanton Friedman and Kathryn

1684
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:21,300
Marsden and who else I mean the usual

1685
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:24,239
suspects come in and so Stanton sits

1686
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:26,370
directly across from me now I haven't

1687
01:11:30,770 --> 01:11:29,310
ever spoken with Stanton and I'm a

1688
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:30,780
little bit nervous because I'm thinking

1689
01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:32,910
you know this guy was done wrong by my

1690
01:11:38,420 --> 01:11:35,940
film right and he got beef with me and I

1691
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:38,430
actually sent out an email to emails in

1692
01:11:42,140 --> 01:11:40,650
fact over the years trying to say hey

1693
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:42,150
I'm sorry that this happened to you I

1694
01:11:46,670 --> 01:11:44,610
had nothing to do with it no response so

1695
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:46,680
I see him and before we start I go hey

1696
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:50,130
Stanton my name is Dean Alioto and he

1697
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:53,130
goes uh-huh and I said well I did a film

1698
01:12:00,020 --> 01:11:55,410
called alien abduction incident in Lake

1699
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:00,030
County and it goes uh-huh and I go well

1700
01:12:05,690 --> 01:12:03,210
you were in it and he goes right go

1701
01:12:07,190 --> 01:12:05,700
well it wasn't it wasn't real it was

1702
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:07,200
actually fake footage and they cut you

1703
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:10,650
into it and he's like yeah like I'm sure

1704
01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:13,710
this does happen and I go oh so you

1705
01:12:19,310 --> 01:12:16,260
don't remember yeah and I go

1706
01:12:22,220 --> 01:12:19,320
nice meeting you Stan

1707
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:22,230
so we still we start that you know that

1708
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:24,810
the podcast and everything goes goes

1709
01:12:30,020 --> 01:12:27,570
well and so that kind of calmed me

1710
01:12:33,380 --> 01:12:30,030
before I had to go up and speak and so I

1711
01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:33,390
go up on stage and do my presentation

1712
01:12:39,740 --> 01:12:34,920
the first thing happens is this huge

1713
01:12:44,270 --> 01:12:39,750
loud feedback hits I mean like deafening

1714
01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:44,280
and so I said it sounds like it sounds

1715
01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:46,260
like the aliens will be taking control

1716
01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:47,820
of this presentation I guess my

1717
01:12:51,979 --> 01:12:50,460
reputation precedes me and you know we

1718
01:12:53,450 --> 01:12:51,989
had like close to a thousand people in

1719
01:12:54,979 --> 01:12:53,460
the auditorium and they and they laughed

1720
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:54,989
and I knew at that point all right

1721
01:12:59,900 --> 01:12:56,370
they're gonna meet me halfway in the

1722
01:13:02,330 --> 01:12:59,910
bridge so I may be safer and so went

1723
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:02,340
ahead and gave my presentation and you

1724
01:13:04,580 --> 01:13:03,090
know I told

1725
01:13:06,350 --> 01:13:04,590
drei said I'm not gonna do this unless I

1726
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:06,360
can have levity to this because it's

1727
01:13:11,330 --> 01:13:08,850
just so absurd you can't take this you

1728
01:13:14,150 --> 01:13:11,340
know too serious I don't take myself

1729
01:13:15,770 --> 01:13:14,160
serious over the past 25 years I've

1730
01:13:18,650 --> 01:13:15,780
received countless letters and emails

1731
01:13:21,020 --> 01:13:18,660
from journalists ufo-ologists educators

1732
01:13:24,500 --> 01:13:21,030
and UFO fans all wanting to know the

1733
01:13:25,970 --> 01:13:24,510
true story behind my films I'm going to

1734
01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:25,980
read you right now one of my favorite

1735
01:13:33,380 --> 01:13:31,500
emails dude me and my friends were

1736
01:13:35,180 --> 01:13:33,390
talking about scary things that we've

1737
01:13:37,070 --> 01:13:35,190
seen and I remembered alien abduction

1738
01:13:38,660 --> 01:13:37,080
the incident in Lake County was the

1739
01:13:40,910 --> 01:13:38,670
scariest thing I've ever seen

1740
01:13:43,190 --> 01:13:40,920
I remember watching it in my basement

1741
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:43,200
all alone at night with the lights out

1742
01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:46,770
he doesn't say how old he is now I need

1743
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:48,510
to show my friends but mostly show my

1744
01:13:59,630 --> 01:13:50,880
girlfriend who gets really horny when

1745
01:14:03,710 --> 01:13:59,640
she's scared okay

1746
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,720
please help me contact me and tell me

1747
01:14:09,290 --> 01:14:06,000
how I can get the video it's really

1748
01:14:15,020 --> 01:14:09,300
important to me I will be checking back

1749
01:14:18,380 --> 01:14:15,030
five to six hundred times a day to see

1750
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:18,390
if you respond I am just trying to get

1751
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:20,010
the point across that this is very

1752
01:14:27,770 --> 01:14:26,400
important to me signed Peter yeah Peter

1753
01:14:30,410 --> 01:14:27,780
I'm getting the sense that it is very

1754
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:30,420
important to you this was not my

1755
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:32,370
intention when I made the film but good

1756
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:33,930
luck you know the truth of matter is

1757
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:35,850
this wasn't like by some intelligent

1758
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:38,610
design it was just kind of a desperate

1759
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:41,010
need to you know get my first film done

1760
01:14:45,650 --> 01:14:43,410
and it became all this so the audience

1761
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:45,660
was really cool very fun I found the

1762
01:14:51,020 --> 01:14:48,330
community to have great range with you

1763
01:14:52,850 --> 01:14:51,030
know their belief systems and and being

1764
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:52,860
appreciative of the journey of a

1765
01:14:58,610 --> 01:14:56,130
filmmaker and so we did that and then

1766
01:15:04,520 --> 01:14:58,620
seemed to go really well showed the film

1767
01:15:07,700 --> 01:15:04,530
and at the the end of the film Alejandro

1768
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:07,710
got up and he said how many people even

1769
01:15:11,660 --> 01:15:09,600
after hearing Dean speak and everything

1770
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:11,670
still believe that this might be real

1771
01:15:15,470 --> 01:15:13,530
and then there was like dead silence and

1772
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:15,480
then in the back in the very back of the

1773
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:17,130
room three people raised their hands

1774
01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:20,400
yeah you gotta be kiddin me I swear to

1775
01:15:24,169 --> 01:15:22,020
God I swear and these were the three

1776
01:15:27,470 --> 01:15:24,179
that we're willing to do that and I said

1777
01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:27,480
I said come and see me after the QA here

1778
01:15:35,089 --> 01:15:29,880
and I'll give you free signed copies of

1779
01:15:38,450 --> 01:15:35,099
the movie no one came to claim them so

1780
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:38,460
there's DVDs are bugged right right

1781
01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:41,880
implant DVD alien implants it's it's

1782
01:15:47,419 --> 01:15:44,219
incredible man that like even after

1783
01:15:51,470 --> 01:15:47,429
seeing your lecture you know all this

1784
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:51,480
time that people are still willing to

1785
01:15:54,589 --> 01:15:52,770
believe and that's something I want to

1786
01:15:56,930 --> 01:15:54,599
talk to you about here in a moment but I

1787
01:15:58,760 --> 01:15:56,940
know speaking to you you know right

1788
01:16:01,399 --> 01:15:58,770
after the Congress you had some pretty

1789
01:16:02,959 --> 01:16:01,409
interesting experiences with individuals

1790
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:02,969
while you were there like talking to

1791
01:16:07,609 --> 01:16:05,489
certain people about their beliefs and

1792
01:16:10,879 --> 01:16:07,619
whatnot so I mean I'd love to hear a

1793
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:10,889
little bit about how people reacted you

1794
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:14,159
know after knowing that these films are

1795
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:15,840
out there having seen them and then

1796
01:16:21,649 --> 01:16:18,480
hearing the man who created it

1797
01:16:24,319 --> 01:16:21,659
created it not you know found footage

1798
01:16:26,359 --> 01:16:24,329
filmed it what they thought about it

1799
01:16:30,589 --> 01:16:26,369
that that whole idea of people still

1800
01:16:33,470 --> 01:16:30,599
believed this thing well when I had

1801
01:16:36,260 --> 01:16:33,480
gotten there I decided that there was a

1802
01:16:39,410 --> 01:16:36,270
director so a documentary filmmaker

1803
01:16:41,089 --> 01:16:39,420
George Hickenlooper who did the behind

1804
01:16:42,819 --> 01:16:41,099
the scenes for Apocalypse Now the hearts

1805
01:16:45,740 --> 01:16:42,829
of darkness one of the greatest

1806
01:16:47,540 --> 01:16:45,750
documentaries of a film of all time

1807
01:16:50,419 --> 01:16:47,550
eleanor coppola actually shot at these

1808
01:16:52,609 --> 01:16:50,429
guys directed it and later on and edited

1809
01:16:53,629 --> 01:16:52,619
etc George I had worked with before and

1810
01:16:55,339 --> 01:16:53,639
George is like you have to do a

1811
01:16:56,959 --> 01:16:55,349
documentary about this experience this

1812
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:56,969
whole thing because this is insane this

1813
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:00,719
is just too much fun yeah and and I kept

1814
01:17:05,450 --> 01:17:02,940
it in my mind and again it was it's I'm

1815
01:17:07,609 --> 01:17:05,460
still too close to it and and so I

1816
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:07,619
thought all right this is kind of

1817
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:10,560
monumental as far as book ending this an

1818
01:17:15,229 --> 01:17:12,510
opportunity that would be monumental to

1819
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:15,239
be able to to wrap it up and and come

1820
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:16,770
full circle with this so I thought for

1821
01:17:19,729 --> 01:17:18,000
the 25th anniversary I would shoot

1822
01:17:22,100 --> 01:17:19,739
behind the scenes footage of me doing

1823
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,110
this which I did and the first thing I

1824
01:17:26,810 --> 01:17:24,960
do is when I got there that night I saw

1825
01:17:29,899 --> 01:17:26,820
these guys sitting around a fire this

1826
01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:29,909
this outdoor patio campfire and they

1827
01:17:34,670 --> 01:17:31,140
were shooting the [\h__\h]

1828
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:34,680
and having a couple brews and and so I

1829
01:17:40,220 --> 01:17:36,960
sat down I said hey guys how you doing

1830
01:17:42,410 --> 01:17:40,230
older guys and I said so what brought

1831
01:17:45,530 --> 01:17:42,420
you here and then they proceeded to tell

1832
01:17:48,350 --> 01:17:45,540
me that one of them tells me that he's a

1833
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:48,360
Vulcan and that when he was younger he

1834
01:17:52,220 --> 01:17:50,010
had as his parents had his ears pair

1835
01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:52,230
pinned so that's why you can't see it

1836
01:17:56,210 --> 01:17:54,450
anymore another guy tells me this ankle

1837
01:17:59,360 --> 01:17:56,220
got all jacked up but it's called

1838
01:18:00,980 --> 01:17:59,370
because the aliens healed it and and so

1839
01:18:02,330 --> 01:18:00,990
I'm listening to this and I'm going okay

1840
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:02,340
so this has to be one end of the

1841
01:18:07,250 --> 01:18:04,770
spectrum and then I'm talking to other

1842
01:18:09,260 --> 01:18:07,260
people who are telling me it seems every

1843
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,270
hour I bump into someone who wants to

1844
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:11,280
tell me about their UFO abduction

1845
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:14,610
experience or seen a UFO and varying

1846
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:18,480
degrees of credibility but all of them I

1847
01:18:23,930 --> 01:18:20,490
believe believe that they've seen this

1848
01:18:27,050 --> 01:18:23,940
and have had this experience and some of

1849
01:18:28,340 --> 01:18:27,060
the stories are like the details just

1850
01:18:30,170 --> 01:18:28,350
you know put the hair on the back of my

1851
01:18:32,540 --> 01:18:30,180
neck up yeah there's definitely

1852
01:18:35,810 --> 01:18:32,550
something going on here so I you got the

1853
01:18:38,270 --> 01:18:35,820
brush of both sides of that and my

1854
01:18:40,220 --> 01:18:38,280
girlfriend Allie came to to visit I was

1855
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:40,230
her from like my I was her for a full

1856
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:43,770
week she came about two days two and a

1857
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:46,170
half days before I left and she came she

1858
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:48,000
lasted twenty minutes it was like this

1859
01:18:54,410 --> 01:18:51,930
is overwhelming I gotta go I gotta go to

1860
01:18:56,330 --> 01:18:54,420
pool it's hard man

1861
01:18:58,220 --> 01:18:56,340
the same thing happened to me last year

1862
01:19:03,920 --> 01:18:58,230
with my girlfriend and she's been

1863
01:19:06,050 --> 01:19:03,930
supporting and enabling my UFO yeah but

1864
01:19:10,220 --> 01:19:06,060
even she had to step away many times

1865
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:10,230
because again it can even as researchers

1866
01:19:14,660 --> 01:19:13,050
and speakers like it's overwhelming just

1867
01:19:18,890 --> 01:19:14,670
the wealth of information you're hearing

1868
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:18,900
juxtaposed to let's be honest like the

1869
01:19:25,730 --> 01:19:21,210
disinformation those who might

1870
01:19:28,580 --> 01:19:25,740
legitimately be mentally disturbed or

1871
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:28,590
mentally ill or delusional versus those

1872
01:19:33,170 --> 01:19:31,110
who are just trying to you know find

1873
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:33,180
meaning in their life and whatnot it's

1874
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:36,210
it's such a Breakfast Club when you get

1875
01:19:41,540 --> 01:19:38,880
there well the thing to keep in mind in

1876
01:19:45,020 --> 01:19:41,550
all fairness is you can go to comic-con

1877
01:19:48,740 --> 01:19:45,030
you can go to a sports

1878
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,750
convention and you're gonna find again

1879
01:19:51,530 --> 01:19:50,400
you're gonna find a spectrum of the

1880
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:51,540
populace that are gonna be there and

1881
01:19:54,770 --> 01:19:53,010
they're gonna range from people who are

1882
01:19:56,780 --> 01:19:54,780
in their basement and you know in their

1883
01:19:59,450 --> 01:19:56,790
mother's basement I've never left to

1884
01:20:01,670 --> 01:19:59,460
someone who is you know an ex colonel he

1885
01:20:04,190 --> 01:20:01,680
who has firsthand credible experience

1886
01:20:05,900 --> 01:20:04,200
and so I take that all you know I look

1887
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:05,910
at the whole canvas of this and take it

1888
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:08,310
all in as being just part of the fabric

1889
01:20:14,750 --> 01:20:13,440
of of this phenomena and and so I kind

1890
01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:14,760
of rolled with as much as I could

1891
01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:16,620
towards the end get a little bit

1892
01:20:20,420 --> 01:20:18,450
exhausted and there was just this guy he

1893
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:20,430
was like six foot five I think his name

1894
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:22,650
was Eric and he says hey I want to

1895
01:20:28,820 --> 01:20:27,210
interview and I go okay I'm leaving you

1896
01:20:30,710 --> 01:20:28,830
know in a few hours and he's like well

1897
01:20:32,270 --> 01:20:30,720
let's you know if you haven't had lunch

1898
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:32,280
Leah let me buy you lunch and and you

1899
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,690
know I'll interview and he's got this

1900
01:20:37,940 --> 01:20:35,520
headset around his head so and I know

1901
01:20:39,740 --> 01:20:37,950
what podcast is with whatever but so we

1902
01:20:43,340 --> 01:20:39,750
go and we sit this bar and we're eating

1903
01:20:45,470 --> 01:20:43,350
and then we're talking and I look over

1904
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:45,480
him and I realize this isn't a podcast

1905
01:20:51,890 --> 01:20:49,440
this is someone who needs to hear my

1906
01:20:54,830 --> 01:20:51,900
story for some reason and there's a

1907
01:21:00,380 --> 01:20:54,840
personal reason for this and so I say to

1908
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:00,390
him so so what's you know what are you

1909
01:21:06,350 --> 01:21:03,840
looking for exactly and he said well he

1910
01:21:11,170 --> 01:21:06,360
said I came across your footage when I

1911
01:21:15,140 --> 01:21:11,180
was uh this guy was probably around 48

1912
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:15,150
excuse me around 58 maybe 55 he said I

1913
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:17,250
came across your video a long time ago

1914
01:21:23,900 --> 01:21:20,640
the original one and it greatly affected

1915
01:21:27,980 --> 01:21:23,910
me he said that a few months ago he

1916
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:27,990
bumped into Tom Dongo and I said oh yeah

1917
01:21:32,060 --> 01:21:29,730
Tom and I mentioned it goes yeah he said

1918
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:32,070
Tom was actually afraid to come out here

1919
01:21:36,620 --> 01:21:34,530
because he thought you were mad or we're

1920
01:21:38,450 --> 01:21:36,630
gonna make fun of him or something and I

1921
01:21:41,230 --> 01:21:38,460
that broke my heart I said absolutely

1922
01:21:43,700 --> 01:21:41,240
not I go he was duped by whomever

1923
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:43,710
injected this you know into the

1924
01:21:47,630 --> 01:21:46,050
community no harm no foul

1925
01:21:49,700 --> 01:21:47,640
please you know if you talk to him again

1926
01:21:51,530 --> 01:21:49,710
I go how did you meet him he says well I

1927
01:21:53,690 --> 01:21:51,540
talked to him through like a mutual

1928
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:53,700
friend and he and I mentioned this tape

1929
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,690
I said hey have you ever heard about

1930
01:21:58,100 --> 01:21:56,400
this tape and he said yes and that

1931
01:21:58,850 --> 01:21:58,110
actually Tom still believes that parts

1932
01:22:00,320 --> 01:21:58,860
of it are real

1933
01:22:03,410 --> 01:22:00,330
and I could tell that this guy was

1934
01:22:06,580 --> 01:22:03,420
really troubled this guy Eric because he

1935
01:22:10,010 --> 01:22:06,590
was like you know I missed your

1936
01:22:12,230 --> 01:22:10,020
presentation but I heard that you were

1937
01:22:13,940 --> 01:22:12,240
saying that you know that it wasn't real

1938
01:22:15,530 --> 01:22:13,950
now I got to tell you this has been

1939
01:22:18,530 --> 01:22:15,540
something that I've been following and

1940
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:18,540
tracking and doing my research and you

1941
01:22:26,150 --> 01:22:22,890
seem like a a very legitimate person and

1942
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:26,160
a straight shooter so can you just walk

1943
01:22:30,140 --> 01:22:28,650
me through this so I walked him through

1944
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:30,150
it and I said here's what happened and

1945
01:22:33,650 --> 01:22:32,250
everything else and I pull up some

1946
01:22:37,820 --> 01:22:33,660
pictures I said you can go here at da da

1947
01:22:40,430 --> 01:22:37,830
da and and there was a look of kind of

1948
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:40,440
relief and disappointment you hadn't

1949
01:22:44,990 --> 01:22:42,930
washed over him and that's the danger

1950
01:22:47,180 --> 01:22:45,000
too is that you know it's kind of like

1951
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:47,190
telling people there's no Santa Claus so

1952
01:22:52,630 --> 01:22:49,410
as much as I want to say hey you know

1953
01:22:56,540 --> 01:22:52,640
back on earth this is how the reality is

1954
01:23:00,430 --> 01:22:56,550
but at the same time I don't want people

1955
01:23:03,020 --> 01:23:00,440
spending you know bandwidth on on

1956
01:23:05,180 --> 01:23:03,030
tracking down this or doing research on

1957
01:23:08,630 --> 01:23:05,190
something that's you know fictional I

1958
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:08,640
that that to me isn't is perverting the

1959
01:23:11,090 --> 01:23:09,600
intention of this it's just

1960
01:23:13,370 --> 01:23:11,100
entertainment the other day it was meant

1961
01:23:15,710 --> 01:23:13,380
to be entertainment so I tell him this

1962
01:23:19,610 --> 01:23:15,720
and he said I have to say I

1963
01:23:20,900 --> 01:23:19,620
I believe you ninety-nine percent you

1964
01:23:22,670 --> 01:23:20,910
know I'm gonna reserve one percent but I

1965
01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:22,680
got to say I'm pretty much convinced

1966
01:23:27,260 --> 01:23:24,510
that this isn't and thank you for taking

1967
01:23:28,940 --> 01:23:27,270
that off my plate of stuff to be you

1968
01:23:32,210 --> 01:23:28,950
know concerned with and worrying about

1969
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:32,220
and he said I had heard the conspiracies

1970
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:34,080
to you know about the one and you and

1971
01:23:42,350 --> 01:23:37,530
the ex-mayor he I said well back back up

1972
01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:42,360
being an ex-mayor it's well so in the

1973
01:23:47,330 --> 01:23:44,580
70s there was a mayor Alioto joseph

1974
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:47,340
Alioto who was a very popular mayor in

1975
01:23:52,910 --> 01:23:48,570
fact he was being groomed for the

1976
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:52,920
presidency and unfortunately this

1977
01:23:58,940 --> 01:23:55,770
publication that was as popular in its

1978
01:24:01,640 --> 01:23:58,950
day as Life magazine called Look

1979
01:24:03,380 --> 01:24:01,650
magazine published a story they were not

1980
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:03,390
doing well with their subscription and

1981
01:24:07,550 --> 01:24:04,890
they they published a story linking

1982
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:07,560
trying to link the former mayor with the

1983
01:24:11,300 --> 01:24:10,290
Mafia and it was a desperate attempt and

1984
01:24:12,710 --> 01:24:11,310
they had done that with other stories

1985
01:24:14,540 --> 01:24:12,720
and they had no

1986
01:24:16,900 --> 01:24:14,550
real evidence for this and so the thing

1987
01:24:19,790 --> 01:24:16,910
was that the mayor was an even more

1988
01:24:22,330 --> 01:24:19,800
competent lawyer than he was a mayor and

1989
01:24:25,010 --> 01:24:22,340
so he sued them for 20 million and one

1990
01:24:28,300 --> 01:24:25,020
which could look magazine out of

1991
01:24:31,220 --> 01:24:28,310
business so it's just a side note so the

1992
01:24:32,810 --> 01:24:31,230
theory and this was all new to me hadn't

1993
01:24:34,010 --> 01:24:32,820
heard this one before and this goes at

1994
01:24:36,140 --> 01:24:34,020
the top of the theories this is my

1995
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:36,150
favorite the theory was that the mayor

1996
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:38,880
was my father which he would have been

1997
01:24:44,270 --> 01:24:41,280
my grandfather but okay it was like go

1998
01:24:47,450 --> 01:24:44,280
on they said okay so because he was a

1999
01:24:50,540 --> 01:24:47,460
politician he was also linked with the

2000
01:24:54,830 --> 01:24:50,550
government and they had gotten to you

2001
01:24:56,750 --> 01:24:54,840
through your father Joe Alioto and had

2002
01:25:00,320 --> 01:24:56,760
hired you and engineered you to do all

2003
01:25:03,020 --> 01:25:00,330
these you know you know to speak about

2004
01:25:05,060 --> 01:25:03,030
the film and take credit for this that

2005
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:05,070
kind of it knocked me for a loop

2006
01:25:10,430 --> 01:25:07,290
I laughed my ass off and then at the

2007
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:10,440
same time it was a real eye-opener of

2008
01:25:18,980 --> 01:25:14,960
how fragile truth is and how it can be

2009
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:18,990
nudged on one side of the wall so easily

2010
01:25:24,890 --> 01:25:22,320
and can propagate into two more more

2011
01:25:27,620 --> 01:25:24,900
steps of the so now the truth has to

2012
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:27,630
prove itself so you're guilty until

2013
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,370
proven innocent and so you know that

2014
01:25:36,650 --> 01:25:35,040
that's a real kind of you know mere

2015
01:25:38,780 --> 01:25:36,660
reflection of what's going on right now

2016
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:38,790
with fake news and everything else so

2017
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:41,610
why should this you know the you know

2018
01:25:46,010 --> 01:25:43,650
the UFO genre be any different I guess

2019
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:46,020
yeah that's a really good point man and

2020
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:48,930
like we've spoken before and this is

2021
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:50,610
something that I've taken to heart that

2022
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:53,760
you mentioned is when you when you have

2023
01:25:58,250 --> 01:25:56,490
this belief system or you're trying to

2024
01:26:00,980 --> 01:25:58,260
back up certain claims about things like

2025
01:26:03,470 --> 01:26:00,990
you're responsible for that just because

2026
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:03,480
we have these Steven Greer's or these

2027
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:05,810
Corey goods yes I'm going to name them

2028
01:26:11,930 --> 01:26:08,730
these people out there touting what I

2029
01:26:16,970 --> 01:26:11,940
personally believe to not be factual

2030
01:26:20,570 --> 01:26:16,980
information or straight-up hoaxing it's

2031
01:26:22,190 --> 01:26:20,580
not like you can't blame them they're

2032
01:26:24,590 --> 01:26:22,200
they're going to take advantage of these

2033
01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:24,600
people's belief systems and that's

2034
01:26:26,060 --> 01:26:25,560
that's their thing

2035
01:26:27,890 --> 01:26:26,070
you know

2036
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:27,900
awfully karma will catch up to them but

2037
01:26:32,780 --> 01:26:30,690
like you had said to me and I think this

2038
01:26:34,729 --> 01:26:32,790
is key is that you need to be

2039
01:26:36,589 --> 01:26:34,739
responsible for the information you're

2040
01:26:37,069 --> 01:26:36,599
consuming and what you decide to do with

2041
01:26:39,770 --> 01:26:37,079
that

2042
01:26:43,819 --> 01:26:39,780
so yes yeah I mean this is a broad

2043
01:26:48,379 --> 01:26:43,829
example but can we really blame World

2044
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:48,389
War two on Hitler or was it a wish

2045
01:26:54,890 --> 01:26:52,170
fulfillment by people who manifested

2046
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:54,900
this person who was just a conduit word

2047
01:26:58,520 --> 01:26:56,880
is the accountability life you know

2048
01:27:00,530 --> 01:26:58,530
there's a great quote I forgot who said

2049
01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:00,540
it but you know the the worst thing man

2050
01:27:06,350 --> 01:27:03,030
can do you know the way for evil to

2051
01:27:10,370 --> 01:27:06,360
succeed is when man does nothing and and

2052
01:27:13,069 --> 01:27:10,380
so I I think that anytime there's

2053
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:13,079
something that that is saying you know

2054
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:15,090
here's a fantastical element too good to

2055
01:27:19,069 --> 01:27:15,449
be true

2056
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:19,079
first of all 99% of time it is going to

2057
01:27:24,740 --> 01:27:21,210
be too good to be true but but you it's

2058
01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:24,750
it's you know it's got to be you can't

2059
01:27:27,379 --> 01:27:26,280
say it's got to be user friendly because

2060
01:27:29,959 --> 01:27:27,389
there's no such thing of that when it

2061
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:29,969
comes to conspiracies you have to have

2062
01:27:34,939 --> 01:27:32,730
your own litmus test you have to do the

2063
01:27:37,459 --> 01:27:34,949
work you can't be lazy you can't just

2064
01:27:38,899 --> 01:27:37,469
bundle it up and say this thing is too

2065
01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:38,909
complicated so I'm just gonna call the

2066
01:27:42,890 --> 01:27:40,260
conspiracy and say oh it's the

2067
01:27:44,419 --> 01:27:42,900
government and I'm not I am NOT saying

2068
01:27:47,870 --> 01:27:44,429
that the government is not involved in

2069
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,880
some shady ass stuff they are in the in

2070
01:27:51,140 --> 01:27:49,679
some of the worst ways and there's

2071
01:27:53,780 --> 01:27:51,150
definitely some stuff going on with

2072
01:27:56,660 --> 01:27:53,790
regards to the UFO community or excuse

2073
01:27:58,100 --> 01:27:56,670
me the UFO field you know as we've

2074
01:28:00,740 --> 01:27:58,110
discovered that they had yet another

2075
01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:00,750
program you know that we didn't know

2076
01:28:06,919 --> 01:28:04,860
about secret UFO research program so I

2077
01:28:10,250 --> 01:28:06,929
think that you have to be accountable

2078
01:28:13,490 --> 01:28:10,260
and so when when people are are running

2079
01:28:17,810 --> 01:28:13,500
with this and there's people you know

2080
01:28:19,459 --> 01:28:17,820
I'm not naming names you are yes shame

2081
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:19,469
on them for doing that that's a

2082
01:28:23,419 --> 01:28:20,880
desperate move shame on them

2083
01:28:24,830 --> 01:28:23,429
but at the same time little shame has to

2084
01:28:26,959 --> 01:28:24,840
get doled out to the people that are

2085
01:28:29,300 --> 01:28:26,969
holding this up and saying yes I will

2086
01:28:31,700 --> 01:28:29,310
unquestionably go about this and and

2087
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:31,710
follow it it's kind of like the Spanish

2088
01:28:36,290 --> 01:28:34,050
Inquisition it's you know all these

2089
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:36,300
other shitty ideas bad ideas that people

2090
01:28:39,919 --> 01:28:39,210
are doing that perpetuate this and build

2091
01:28:42,109 --> 01:28:39,929
it up into

2092
01:28:44,660 --> 01:28:42,119
thing that becomes so strong it's hard

2093
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:44,670
to take down and so you know that goes

2094
01:28:53,449 --> 01:28:49,679
with new religions as well you know that

2095
01:28:56,089 --> 01:28:53,459
prop pop up and everything and and you

2096
01:28:58,459 --> 01:28:56,099
know it's it's part of unfortunately

2097
01:28:59,419 --> 01:28:58,469
it's part of mankind's evolution I mean

2098
01:29:01,459 --> 01:28:59,429
when we get to a place where

2099
01:29:03,739 --> 01:29:01,469
common-sense rules I mean are we

2100
01:29:07,779 --> 01:29:03,749
seriously going back five steps and

2101
01:29:08,929 --> 01:29:07,789
further to bring back the old Flat Earth

2102
01:29:12,020 --> 01:29:08,939
theory

2103
01:29:14,449 --> 01:29:12,030
I mean whoever is propagating that I

2104
01:29:17,089 --> 01:29:14,459
have no problem you're an a-hole dude

2105
01:29:19,790 --> 01:29:17,099
yeah or dudette you're a complete

2106
01:29:22,759 --> 01:29:19,800
schmuck and shame on you and it's like

2107
01:29:25,219 --> 01:29:22,769
come on yeah so now we're gonna penalize

2108
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:25,229
any exploration beyond that you know

2109
01:29:31,250 --> 01:29:26,880
we're stuck on a flat planet that goes

2110
01:29:34,759 --> 01:29:31,260
on it's just yeah yeah I couldn't agree

2111
01:29:37,459 --> 01:29:34,769
with you more man well I mean there we

2112
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:37,469
we've spoken you know off the air about

2113
01:29:43,819 --> 01:29:40,800
a few UFO cases now you're now in this

2114
01:29:46,069 --> 01:29:43,829
world you know you've spoken at the the

2115
01:29:48,290 --> 01:29:46,079
conferences you've shown that you've put

2116
01:29:51,529 --> 01:29:48,300
the time the effort and you've done your

2117
01:29:53,209 --> 01:29:51,539
homework and you're researching the UFO

2118
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:53,219
topic it's come full circle you went

2119
01:29:57,770 --> 01:29:55,530
from creating something for purely

2120
01:30:00,589 --> 01:29:57,780
entertainment purposes took on its own

2121
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:00,599
life you you you took it back you did

2122
01:30:04,009 --> 01:30:02,130
what you had to do in terms of that

2123
01:30:05,899 --> 01:30:04,019
aspect of your life and now you're

2124
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:05,909
looking at the UFO topic with the

2125
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:09,449
legitimate cases and two of those I find

2126
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:11,489
extremely credible have stood the test

2127
01:30:15,859 --> 01:30:14,159
of time and I was I was really excited

2128
01:30:18,109 --> 01:30:15,869
to hear that you were looking into these

2129
01:30:20,779 --> 01:30:18,119
as well that's both the the cape

2130
01:30:23,330 --> 01:30:20,789
girardeau case and the Zimbabwe case and

2131
01:30:25,429 --> 01:30:23,340
I'd love to hear your thoughts on they

2132
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:25,439
used before we we start to wrap things

2133
01:30:29,449 --> 01:30:27,209
up here I would love to tell you but the

2134
01:30:33,979 --> 01:30:29,459
government has told me not to speak I do

2135
01:30:36,129 --> 01:30:33,989
it always happens to me the thing is

2136
01:30:39,169 --> 01:30:36,139
I've become kind of an armchair de-facto

2137
01:30:41,509 --> 01:30:39,179
UFO researcher in doing you know I

2138
01:30:42,469 --> 01:30:41,519
realized that a third of the the IP that

2139
01:30:45,169 --> 01:30:42,479
I've created the scripts that I've

2140
01:30:47,810 --> 01:30:45,179
created the 30 scripts and six pods I've

2141
01:30:51,620 --> 01:30:47,820
done have all been UFO or science

2142
01:30:53,660 --> 01:30:51,630
fiction alien related and so through all

2143
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:53,670
that research try

2144
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:54,960
get the most cutting-edge stuff trying

2145
01:31:01,939 --> 01:30:56,489
to get the most interesting theories in

2146
01:31:03,650 --> 01:31:01,949
this I've kind of become like I said for

2147
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:03,660
lack of better term become a UFO

2148
01:31:09,050 --> 01:31:06,449
researcher and and speaking on all these

2149
01:31:11,450 --> 01:31:09,060
panels and stuff and kind of you know

2150
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:11,460
tossing the phenomenon back and forth

2151
01:31:16,430 --> 01:31:14,010
with the top people from you know Nick

2152
01:31:16,850 --> 01:31:16,440
Pope to you know John Smith and Jacques

2153
01:31:20,180 --> 01:31:16,860
Vallee

2154
01:31:23,060 --> 01:31:20,190
I feel like I want to now give back to

2155
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:23,070
this and and contribute with what I've

2156
01:31:26,660 --> 01:31:25,199
learned and hopefully put a new

2157
01:31:29,390 --> 01:31:26,670
perspective on it because there's

2158
01:31:31,010 --> 01:31:29,400
thousands of of UFO documentaries out

2159
01:31:32,780 --> 01:31:31,020
there and a lot of them are hitting the

2160
01:31:34,340 --> 01:31:32,790
same note over and over and I want to

2161
01:31:36,050 --> 01:31:34,350
come at it from another area otherwise I

2162
01:31:37,340 --> 01:31:36,060
you know I'll have nothing to say and

2163
01:31:38,780 --> 01:31:37,350
I'll just be throwing another thing on

2164
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:38,790
the on the pile while there's great

2165
01:31:43,340 --> 01:31:40,560
documentaries that that are still always

2166
01:31:45,500 --> 01:31:43,350
you know documentarians like James Fox

2167
01:31:47,959 --> 01:31:45,510
who I'm a big fan of with out of the

2168
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:47,969
blue and I know I saw that are paving

2169
01:31:50,810 --> 01:31:49,170
the way and doing some really great

2170
01:31:53,180 --> 01:31:50,820
stuff in his new project coming up I'm

2171
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:53,190
very excited to see I've just decided

2172
01:31:58,880 --> 01:31:55,050
that it's it's time to kind of take the

2173
01:32:01,550 --> 01:31:58,890
the big you know files that I have of

2174
01:32:02,930 --> 01:32:01,560
all the notes that I've made and little

2175
01:32:04,970 --> 01:32:02,940
mini discoveries I think would be

2176
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:04,980
interesting to ponder and I'm now going

2177
01:32:09,709 --> 01:32:06,690
to be I've started a company called

2178
01:32:12,290 --> 01:32:09,719
alien content and I've got my own

2179
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:12,300
patreon site that I just started so you

2180
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:14,690
can go to alien content comm and

2181
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:17,010
subscribe if you want want to be a part

2182
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:20,850
of creating and even get a kind of a bit

2183
01:32:24,290 --> 01:32:22,290
of a producer helping to create this

2184
01:32:25,820 --> 01:32:24,300
stuff but in addition to that I've got

2185
01:32:28,580 --> 01:32:25,830
other projects and I'm developing at

2186
01:32:31,060 --> 01:32:28,590
various phases that'll be geared to be

2187
01:32:33,470 --> 01:32:31,070
Studios and you'll get to be independent

2188
01:32:34,970 --> 01:32:33,480
however what's the top on my list right

2189
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:34,980
now that I'm really excited about is

2190
01:32:41,060 --> 01:32:38,400
this documentary that I'm doing where

2191
01:32:43,220 --> 01:32:41,070
I'm going to be I'm touching on some of

2192
01:32:44,810 --> 01:32:43,230
the the big cases as well as looking at

2193
01:32:48,260 --> 01:32:44,820
this phenomenon from a different

2194
01:32:51,740 --> 01:32:48,270
perspective and as I develop it more and

2195
01:32:53,390 --> 01:32:51,750
and feel like I have something you know

2196
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:53,400
tangible that I can lay out for you I

2197
01:32:57,290 --> 01:32:56,010
will keep you abreast as I go but the

2198
01:32:58,669 --> 01:32:57,300
reaction so far has been really cool

2199
01:33:01,280 --> 01:32:58,679
with with some of the people that I want

2200
01:33:03,890 --> 01:33:01,290
to pull into it but the two cases yeah

2201
01:33:04,910 --> 01:33:03,900
you know for me there's there's three

2202
01:33:06,500 --> 01:33:04,920
we're not going to talk about Roswell

2203
01:33:07,370 --> 01:33:06,510
because that's its own thing yeah but

2204
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:07,380
there's three

2205
01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:09,450
cases that one is a really a case it's

2206
01:33:13,970 --> 01:33:11,910
just that footage that footage being the

2207
01:33:15,740 --> 01:33:13,980
gimbal footage that was released by the

2208
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:15,750
Department of Defense of seeing that

2209
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:18,330
that ship that to me was amazing but the

2210
01:33:23,930 --> 01:33:21,210
other two cases that it's just like Mike

2211
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:23,940
drop on the whole phenomenon is this in

2212
01:33:30,230 --> 01:33:26,850
Bob Wade case and and the nineteen forty

2213
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:30,240
one Missouri UFO crash of the Cape

2214
01:33:34,130 --> 01:33:31,920
Girardeau which for me what's

2215
01:33:36,440 --> 01:33:34,140
interesting about that again it's fresh

2216
01:33:38,390 --> 01:33:36,450
because it's it's taking religion and

2217
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:38,400
aliens and mixing the two you know

2218
01:33:44,150 --> 01:33:41,040
here's this Reverend William Huffman who

2219
01:33:47,480 --> 01:33:44,160
gets a call at around nine o'clock nine

2220
01:33:51,260 --> 01:33:47,490
p.m. to come out and to do last rites on

2221
01:33:53,390 --> 01:33:51,270
three crash victims from an airplane

2222
01:33:56,330 --> 01:33:53,400
that airplane crash that occurred in the

2223
01:34:00,290 --> 01:33:56,340
forest so he goes out there to do this

2224
01:34:02,450 --> 01:34:00,300
and he gets there and sees this this

2225
01:34:04,940 --> 01:34:02,460
burning wreckage sees the fire

2226
01:34:08,030 --> 01:34:04,950
department sees a local police

2227
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:08,040
department and he's led up to these

2228
01:34:12,770 --> 01:34:10,800
three creatures that are creatures that

2229
01:34:14,330 --> 01:34:12,780
are not humans at first it looked like

2230
01:34:15,950 --> 01:34:14,340
these were burned victims if they could

2231
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:15,960
have been you know you know mutilated by

2232
01:34:19,460 --> 01:34:17,610
the accident everything and quickly

2233
01:34:22,970 --> 01:34:19,470
realizes they're not there are the gray

2234
01:34:24,590 --> 01:34:22,980
aliens and and he sees this ship and he

2235
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:24,600
gets a chance to actually peer inside

2236
01:34:29,300 --> 01:34:26,880
now this is 41 this is before any

2237
01:34:31,730 --> 01:34:29,310
apparatus of whether it's real or not

2238
01:34:33,950 --> 01:34:31,740
you know majestic 12 none of that and

2239
01:34:36,530 --> 01:34:33,960
it's two years before the battle over

2240
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:36,540
Los Angeles has a whole other you know

2241
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:38,850
level of credibility to that as well and

2242
01:34:43,820 --> 01:34:41,730
so these guys were fumbling around with

2243
01:34:45,380 --> 01:34:43,830
this and and not knowing what to do and

2244
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:45,390
the military hadn't shown up I don't

2245
01:34:49,550 --> 01:34:47,730
think on the scene yet and so what

2246
01:34:52,010 --> 01:34:49,560
happens is this this guy who's taking

2247
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:52,020
pictures he takes a picture of this

2248
01:34:58,280 --> 01:34:54,480
alien who gets propped up between these

2249
01:35:00,590 --> 01:34:58,290
these two guys and and he performs last

2250
01:35:02,030 --> 01:35:00,600
rites and everything I think one of them

2251
01:35:05,930 --> 01:35:02,040
was breathing yes one of them was was

2252
01:35:08,660 --> 01:35:05,940
breathing and then expires right there

2253
01:35:10,940 --> 01:35:08,670
with him and so he comes back home

2254
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:10,950
shaken and the government showed up

2255
01:35:16,340 --> 01:35:13,050
there was an Air Force Base nearby they

2256
01:35:18,290 --> 01:35:16,350
show up and swore him to secrecy and so

2257
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:18,300
now he's got a wonderful relationship

2258
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:20,850
with his wife and

2259
01:35:26,090 --> 01:35:23,250
he doesn't feel comfortable having you

2260
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:26,100
know keeping something from her you know

2261
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:28,170
this is a man of God and believes that

2262
01:35:32,060 --> 01:35:30,060
you know that you should not be you know

2263
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:32,070
keeping these hidden deceitful etcetera

2264
01:35:35,810 --> 01:35:33,840
and so he can't help himself and he

2265
01:35:38,210 --> 01:35:35,820
tells her this and he says this is the

2266
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:38,220
last time I'm ever going to talk about

2267
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:40,800
this but this is what happened I just

2268
01:35:43,850 --> 01:35:42,210
came out and saw this I don't know what

2269
01:35:45,290 --> 01:35:43,860
it was but it wasn't from here inside

2270
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:45,300
the ship there was these weird kind of

2271
01:35:53,150 --> 01:35:48,480
hieroglyphic things and etc and so so it

2272
01:35:56,420 --> 01:35:53,160
goes away for a while and then when they

2273
01:35:59,360 --> 01:35:56,430
have a grandchild whose name is

2274
01:36:01,760 --> 01:35:59,370
Charlotte she hears about this and she

2275
01:36:04,580 --> 01:36:01,770
threw her mother through Williams

2276
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:04,590
daughter and the mother says yeah this

2277
01:36:07,010 --> 01:36:05,130
is it

2278
01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:07,020
and they mentioned that they have this

2279
01:36:12,230 --> 01:36:09,510
picture that they got from the person

2280
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:12,240
who took the photo and so it shows the

2281
01:36:18,020 --> 01:36:14,480
aliens propped up between these two

2282
01:36:21,410 --> 01:36:18,030
policemen or firemen and she's seen it

2283
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:21,420
firsthand she sees this picture and then

2284
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:23,730
this guy came and and I think a few

2285
01:36:27,050 --> 01:36:24,960
years later when she was a kid and

2286
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:27,060
wanted to borrow it and he does and it

2287
01:36:31,580 --> 01:36:29,520
kind of disappears and so this picture

2288
01:36:33,500 --> 01:36:31,590
is still out there and she gets more

2289
01:36:35,450 --> 01:36:33,510
information on this is Charlotte on her

2290
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:35,460
grandmother's deathbed who tells the

2291
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:37,530
story and says here's what happened and

2292
01:36:40,970 --> 01:36:39,570
tells her more information and so she

2293
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:40,980
hears the story and she'd already seen

2294
01:36:45,110 --> 01:36:42,930
the picture so it wasn't like you know

2295
01:36:47,150 --> 01:36:45,120
this was something at an event that

2296
01:36:48,710 --> 01:36:47,160
there was fully originated then it had

2297
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:48,720
already been this legacy in the family

2298
01:36:52,370 --> 01:36:50,130
so that to me is interesting because

2299
01:36:54,980 --> 01:36:52,380
again it was here was this you know this

2300
01:36:56,450 --> 01:36:54,990
man of God you know who comes out and

2301
01:36:58,730 --> 01:36:56,460
he's confronted with this and how does

2302
01:37:01,190 --> 01:36:58,740
that affect him you know even just to do

2303
01:37:02,780 --> 01:37:01,200
a a biopic of that I think would be

2304
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,790
fascinating but I want to pursue that

2305
01:37:07,610 --> 01:37:04,560
because I've not seen a lot on that and

2306
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:07,620
again there is this The Smoking Gun of

2307
01:37:11,780 --> 01:37:09,570
this picture that is still out there

2308
01:37:15,380 --> 01:37:11,790
somewhere know from that we've got the

2309
01:37:17,540 --> 01:37:15,390
1994 Zimbabwe case which has picked up a

2310
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:17,550
lot of heat over the last few years even

2311
01:37:21,230 --> 01:37:19,290
though it came out and john mack was

2312
01:37:23,450 --> 01:37:21,240
there you know covering it as well dr.

2313
01:37:24,830 --> 01:37:23,460
john mack what what makes us the most

2314
01:37:27,950 --> 01:37:24,840
profound to me

2315
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:27,960
alien abduction experience period well

2316
01:37:31,850 --> 01:37:29,280
it wasn't a deduct and adduction and

2317
01:37:33,530 --> 01:37:31,860
alien sighting

2318
01:37:34,830 --> 01:37:33,540
he's more than any other sighting in the

2319
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:34,840
history of science for me

2320
01:37:40,890 --> 01:37:37,840
is the fact that you had 62 kids at the

2321
01:37:42,899 --> 01:37:40,900
Ariel school Elementary School who

2322
01:37:46,109 --> 01:37:42,909
witnessed this and their age their age

2323
01:37:48,089 --> 01:37:46,119
age range from five to you know eleven

2324
01:37:50,780 --> 01:37:48,099
twelve years old that the teachers are

2325
01:37:55,740 --> 01:37:50,790
inside for a parent-teacher conference

2326
01:37:57,780 --> 01:37:55,750
and they see this ship land and I'm sure

2327
01:37:59,339 --> 01:37:57,790
all of your listeners I'm not telling

2328
01:38:01,859 --> 01:37:59,349
anything no but this for those who

2329
01:38:04,709 --> 01:38:01,869
haven't the ship lands alien gets out

2330
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:04,719
one of them climbs on top of it it's a

2331
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:08,290
silver ship classic silver shape and

2332
01:38:12,330 --> 01:38:10,449
then one of the aliens a second alien

2333
01:38:14,669 --> 01:38:12,340
I'm calling them aliens that could be

2334
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:14,679
again interdimensional beams time

2335
01:38:19,020 --> 01:38:16,480
travelers we don't know yeah but the

2336
01:38:20,729 --> 01:38:19,030
beam right comes up to them standing

2337
01:38:23,129 --> 01:38:20,739
only three feet away the only thing

2338
01:38:25,379 --> 01:38:23,139
that's dividing the space between them

2339
01:38:28,140 --> 01:38:25,389
is on the ground half-buried

2340
01:38:29,820 --> 01:38:28,150
is these you know these logs laying flat

2341
01:38:32,820 --> 01:38:29,830
which is kind of the perimeter and the

2342
01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:32,830
kids know not to go beyond that so the

2343
01:38:36,810 --> 01:38:34,510
the alien comes up and they say how it

2344
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:36,820
comes up it's almost like it disappears

2345
01:38:40,589 --> 01:38:38,250
and then reappears disappears reappears

2346
01:38:42,030 --> 01:38:40,599
almost like it's imitating the walking

2347
01:38:45,689 --> 01:38:42,040
but it's in between different

2348
01:38:48,689 --> 01:38:45,699
frequencies in a way and so these kids

2349
01:38:51,810 --> 01:38:48,699
are black white Christian Muslims a

2350
01:38:54,270 --> 01:38:51,820
great diverse group and they communicate

2351
01:38:56,189 --> 01:38:54,280
with this alien and the aliens doing

2352
01:38:57,390 --> 01:38:56,199
most of the communicating and what

2353
01:39:01,200 --> 01:38:57,400
they're doing is they're showing them

2354
01:39:02,490 --> 01:39:01,210
image after image after image of the

2355
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:02,500
planets of what we're doing the

2356
01:39:08,339 --> 01:39:04,330
technology that we have and how we're

2357
01:39:10,919 --> 01:39:08,349
ruining things and how it's they pretty

2358
01:39:13,410 --> 01:39:10,929
much are responsible and they're tasked

2359
01:39:15,540 --> 01:39:13,420
with helping to get the word out there

2360
01:39:17,189 --> 01:39:15,550
and to be responsible for the planet

2361
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:17,199
what's going on and protect the planet

2362
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:20,080
and so all of them have the same

2363
01:39:23,850 --> 01:39:22,239
experience they draw the same pictures

2364
01:39:25,020 --> 01:39:23,860
you can't get a crime scene where

2365
01:39:26,939 --> 01:39:25,030
someone comes in and shoots someone

2366
01:39:30,359 --> 01:39:26,949
point-blank and walks at the door to

2367
01:39:31,740 --> 01:39:30,369
look identical these kids they're you

2368
01:39:32,820 --> 01:39:31,750
know they don't have a lot of clutter up

2369
01:39:34,820 --> 01:39:32,830
there in their brain they remember all

2370
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:34,830
the details they list it all out

2371
01:39:42,839 --> 01:39:38,770
fortunately you know John Mack is in

2372
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:42,849
town in the country this is that yeah

2373
01:39:47,339 --> 01:39:45,760
and so again is that an accident or is

2374
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:47,349
that part of some divine plan I don't

2375
01:39:50,129 --> 01:39:48,639
know but he comes out

2376
01:39:52,530 --> 01:39:50,139
and interviews these kids and you and

2377
01:39:55,470 --> 01:39:52,540
there's a documentary and you see that

2378
01:39:56,729 --> 01:39:55,480
being done and and you see these kids

2379
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:56,739
are in shock

2380
01:40:02,250 --> 01:39:59,440
they're still shaken they're talking

2381
01:40:05,070 --> 01:40:02,260
about it this is real something scared

2382
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:05,080
you is that right what what scared you

2383
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:09,010
good noise what noise the noise that we

2384
01:40:14,580 --> 01:40:11,650
heard at the e you've heard a noise in

2385
01:40:16,649 --> 01:40:14,590
the air what was it like like a roar or

2386
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:16,659
a buzz or a hum or what kind of a noise

2387
01:40:19,490 --> 01:40:18,730
well it's like someone was playing a

2388
01:40:23,250 --> 01:40:19,500
flute

2389
01:40:25,010 --> 01:40:23,260
it was scary myself it was scary because

2390
01:40:32,340 --> 01:40:25,020
you saw something yourself

2391
01:40:33,330 --> 01:40:32,350
I saw you saw object hovering there was

2392
01:40:35,490 --> 01:40:33,340
quite big actually

2393
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:35,500
and then there was little ones around it

2394
01:40:41,729 --> 01:40:38,290
he saw something silver and then would

2395
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:41,739
clear rental out to the logs and we saw

2396
01:40:48,959 --> 01:40:46,090
a silver silver thing and he saw a man

2397
01:40:52,020 --> 01:40:48,969
standing next it was a good feel like

2398
01:40:55,250 --> 01:40:52,030
when he was looking at you I felt scared

2399
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:55,260
it felt scared what was scary about it

2400
01:41:02,820 --> 01:40:58,960
well not scared because I've never seen

2401
01:41:06,359 --> 01:41:02,830
such a person not that well this is not

2402
01:41:08,580 --> 01:41:06,369
you know some you know school prank or

2403
01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:08,590
whatever it's traumatizing just to watch

2404
01:41:15,540 --> 01:41:11,920
it and so flash-forward 24 years later

2405
01:41:19,970 --> 01:41:15,550
and a lot of these kids are doing things

2406
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:19,980
like Emily who is one of them she is now

2407
01:41:23,939 --> 01:41:22,810
involved heavily in non-profit all of

2408
01:41:26,459 --> 01:41:23,949
these guys are doing things that are

2409
01:41:29,330 --> 01:41:26,469
related to helping to some degree

2410
01:41:33,780 --> 01:41:29,340
helping the planet and bring awareness

2411
01:41:37,140 --> 01:41:33,790
so you know when I look at that I always

2412
01:41:39,090 --> 01:41:37,150
jump in my mental helicopter and I fly

2413
01:41:41,070 --> 01:41:39,100
above it all and I go okay alright let's

2414
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:41,080
let's look at the big picture here and

2415
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:44,730
look down looking down i harken back to

2416
01:41:50,669 --> 01:41:48,850
nick pope who when asked about do you

2417
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:50,679
think disclosures gonna happen or not he

2418
01:41:55,580 --> 01:41:52,960
says it's gonna happen but it's not

2419
01:41:59,490 --> 01:41:55,590
gonna be a capital d it'll be a small

2420
01:42:00,750 --> 01:41:59,500
lowercase D and and while I don't think

2421
01:42:01,890 --> 01:42:00,760
the government's ever gonna come out and

2422
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:01,900
say all right here's what's been going

2423
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:02,449
on

2424
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:05,090
I think that what that how I interpret

2425
01:42:09,850 --> 01:42:07,610
that is that disclosure is happening

2426
01:42:12,009 --> 01:42:09,860
cutting out the middleman why go through

2427
01:42:14,529 --> 01:42:12,019
the government let's take the cause of

2428
01:42:17,020 --> 01:42:14,539
the people so I think that the that the

2429
01:42:18,699 --> 01:42:17,030
beans whatever they are who appreciate

2430
01:42:20,199 --> 01:42:18,709
our planet apparently more than we do I

2431
01:42:23,169 --> 01:42:20,209
think that they're going directly to the

2432
01:42:26,199 --> 01:42:23,179
people and to the humans if you will and

2433
01:42:28,270 --> 01:42:26,209
are pleading their case and if you

2434
01:42:29,859 --> 01:42:28,280
believe Yvonne Smith and her statistics

2435
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:29,869
and what she's heard and her research

2436
01:42:33,729 --> 01:42:32,239
dictates she believes one in 50 people

2437
01:42:35,589 --> 01:42:33,739
have had experiences that they either

2438
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:35,599
remember or don't but are affected by it

2439
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:37,610
and so the word apparently is getting

2440
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:39,920
out there it's just not going through

2441
01:42:45,339 --> 01:42:42,530
you know the bureaucracy and so when you

2442
01:42:48,850 --> 01:42:45,349
look at it with that lens you realize

2443
01:42:51,399 --> 01:42:48,860
that we've already achieved this and so

2444
01:42:53,799 --> 01:42:51,409
now you go okay so what is what is the

2445
01:42:56,620 --> 01:42:53,809
end game here well the end game here is

2446
01:42:59,529 --> 01:42:56,630
for us to cherish our planet you know to

2447
01:43:01,870 --> 01:42:59,539
look at it and say oh my god you know

2448
01:43:04,209 --> 01:43:01,880
this is a living breathing organism and

2449
01:43:07,899 --> 01:43:04,219
I don't know how to do that I'm really

2450
01:43:09,339 --> 01:43:07,909
trying to do that with with cinema I you

2451
01:43:11,739 --> 01:43:09,349
know I encourage people all the time to

2452
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:11,749
travel because that's the best way for

2453
01:43:16,899 --> 01:43:14,570
you to realize that we're all one

2454
01:43:19,180 --> 01:43:16,909
organism you know astronauts have gotten

2455
01:43:20,949 --> 01:43:19,190
that so profoundly that experience of

2456
01:43:23,259 --> 01:43:20,959
looking at the planet from a distance

2457
01:43:26,229 --> 01:43:23,269
when my daughter was in her teens I took

2458
01:43:29,319 --> 01:43:26,239
her to Europe because I wanted her to be

2459
01:43:30,939 --> 01:43:29,329
able to take it all in and realize you

2460
01:43:32,709 --> 01:43:30,949
know she's a part of all of this

2461
01:43:36,009 --> 01:43:32,719
you're not secluded to what you're one

2462
01:43:39,459 --> 01:43:36,019
area it's not America and and them and

2463
01:43:42,069 --> 01:43:39,469
anyone else it's all one big planet one

2464
01:43:44,620 --> 01:43:42,079
big population one big person and and

2465
01:43:47,529 --> 01:43:44,630
this planet is just as much us as as

2466
01:43:49,449 --> 01:43:47,539
them so it's very simple just take care

2467
01:43:51,790 --> 01:43:49,459
of Mother Earth you know at the end of

2468
01:43:54,129 --> 01:43:51,800
day that's that's it treat each others

2469
01:43:55,779 --> 01:43:54,139
as you will and so you know if you want

2470
01:43:57,069 --> 01:43:55,789
to say well it's anti-christian or

2471
01:43:58,839 --> 01:43:57,079
whatever well what did Christ teach

2472
01:44:00,520 --> 01:43:58,849
teach others as you want to be treated

2473
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:00,530
teach the planet as you want the plant

2474
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:02,570
to treat you that's a good point man on

2475
01:44:08,049 --> 01:44:04,130
my son Bach soapbox sorry about that

2476
01:44:09,399 --> 01:44:08,059
well no it's it's not even it's logical

2477
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:09,409
when you look at most major religions

2478
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:13,449
the core message of all of them is just

2479
01:44:18,220 --> 01:44:16,370
love others you know

2480
01:44:19,900 --> 01:44:18,230
and you know that's not getting to love

2481
01:44:22,210 --> 01:44:19,910
and light or new-agey like it's just

2482
01:44:25,660 --> 01:44:22,220
love your fellow man your fellow woman

2483
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:25,670
and everything will be okay love mother

2484
01:44:31,780 --> 01:44:29,600
earth it's it seems so simple and we've

2485
01:44:34,570 --> 01:44:31,790
complicated it so much throughout

2486
01:44:38,140 --> 01:44:34,580
history and whether one believes in

2487
01:44:40,630 --> 01:44:38,150
destiny or not like we have a lot of

2488
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:40,640
power to change that and if we have some

2489
01:44:46,750 --> 01:44:43,520
sort of outside source let's call it

2490
01:44:49,390 --> 01:44:46,760
alien right now just for for our

2491
01:44:51,310 --> 01:44:49,400
purposes kind of nudging us along and

2492
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:51,320
saying hey be careful like we've been

2493
01:44:55,390 --> 01:44:53,210
through this before we know it's gonna

2494
01:44:58,330 --> 01:44:55,400
happen like you said maybe they're from

2495
01:45:01,870 --> 01:44:58,340
our future or interdimensional whatever

2496
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:01,880
whatever it may be it eats right appears

2497
01:45:07,870 --> 01:45:04,970
they are trying to send a message to us

2498
01:45:11,410 --> 01:45:07,880
through these small disclosures as Nick

2499
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:11,420
popery and you have said of just do it

2500
01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:14,930
just just be kind to one another and

2501
01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:17,450
like you said here in America right now

2502
01:45:22,420 --> 01:45:19,520
it's it's been a little tough to love

2503
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:22,430
one another but politics have gotten in

2504
01:45:27,790 --> 01:45:25,280
the way but but we're all still here and

2505
01:45:30,190 --> 01:45:27,800
we're all still talking and that that's

2506
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:30,200
a good thing in my in my opinion I don't

2507
01:45:34,300 --> 01:45:32,090
know maybe I'm a little too optimistic I

2508
01:45:36,250 --> 01:45:34,310
don't know no well here the thing is I

2509
01:45:37,420 --> 01:45:36,260
believe there's been other civilizations

2510
01:45:38,230 --> 01:45:37,430
here there have been there been other

2511
01:45:40,410 --> 01:45:38,240
species here

2512
01:45:42,430 --> 01:45:40,420
they've been cro-magnons we've had other

2513
01:45:44,350 --> 01:45:42,440
intelligence group here and we don't

2514
01:45:46,090 --> 01:45:44,360
know if they're you know Atlanteans if

2515
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:46,100
these guys were you know more

2516
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:48,530
intelligent than we were so oh you look

2517
01:45:53,050 --> 01:45:50,810
at that you go okay what can we learn

2518
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:53,060
from that if the aliens are coming I

2519
01:45:57,910 --> 01:45:55,730
don't want them to save us I I want them

2520
01:46:00,370 --> 01:45:57,920
to to be teachers which is what they're

2521
01:46:02,860 --> 01:46:00,380
doing it which is what we do when we go

2522
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:02,870
in to some good effects some horrible

2523
01:46:06,250 --> 01:46:04,850
effect where we go into other you know

2524
01:46:07,690 --> 01:46:06,260
like third world countries and we're and

2525
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:07,700
we're helping and we're showing them how

2526
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:09,890
to have their own wells and you know you

2527
01:46:13,870 --> 01:46:11,690
know it's the old show someone how to

2528
01:46:15,190 --> 01:46:13,880
fish you know and not give them fish for

2529
01:46:17,290 --> 01:46:15,200
a day so I'm not a fish they can you

2530
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:17,300
know take care of themselves onward I

2531
01:46:22,090 --> 01:46:20,090
want them to be teachers if anything we

2532
01:46:23,770 --> 01:46:22,100
have to be accountable if you had a

2533
01:46:26,050 --> 01:46:23,780
teacher that stepped in and said no no

2534
01:46:27,820 --> 01:46:26,060
no - and - isn't five I'm just going to

2535
01:46:30,100 --> 01:46:27,830
do this that would be defeating the

2536
01:46:31,930 --> 01:46:30,110
whole purpose of evolution and so

2537
01:46:34,810 --> 01:46:31,940
right now you you look at where we are

2538
01:46:37,570 --> 01:46:34,820
and we're in a very very strange

2539
01:46:39,970 --> 01:46:37,580
position and again I'm just talking

2540
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:39,980
about this current intelligence species

2541
01:46:43,900 --> 01:46:41,450
on this planet there is Moore's law

2542
01:46:47,230 --> 01:46:43,910
which got all out of whack

2543
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:47,240
where you track the the progression of

2544
01:46:53,170 --> 01:46:49,280
evolution with the progression of

2545
01:46:55,210 --> 01:46:53,180
Technology technical evolution and you

2546
01:46:58,360 --> 01:46:55,220
see that in the 50s and with integrated

2547
01:47:01,810 --> 01:46:58,370
circuits it started to diverge and and

2548
01:47:03,480 --> 01:47:01,820
separate and so now Moore's law has got

2549
01:47:05,620 --> 01:47:03,490
to the point where it's flatline

2550
01:47:07,660 --> 01:47:05,630
completely vertical it's heading

2551
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:07,670
straight up so now we're doing things

2552
01:47:13,390 --> 01:47:10,400
that is beyond our evolution and beyond

2553
01:47:17,170 --> 01:47:13,400
our maturity as a species and so we can

2554
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:17,180
basically do godlike things and so you

2555
01:47:20,890 --> 01:47:18,530
know at the other day I'm rooting for

2556
01:47:22,780 --> 01:47:20,900
earth because earth is the fertilizer

2557
01:47:24,490 --> 01:47:22,790
that everything comes from so if that

2558
01:47:25,900 --> 01:47:24,500
means that we're gonna nuke the planet

2559
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:25,910
we're not gonna kill it we're gonna

2560
01:47:29,290 --> 01:47:27,650
destroy ourselves and unfortunately the

2561
01:47:31,990 --> 01:47:29,300
lower species here and then a new

2562
01:47:33,370 --> 01:47:32,000
species will evolve evolution will will

2563
01:47:35,290 --> 01:47:33,380
bring the next one up and hopefully they

2564
01:47:37,690 --> 01:47:35,300
learn but I don't want it to get to that

2565
01:47:39,730 --> 01:47:37,700
point I have a daughter I have faith

2566
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:39,740
that we're gonna find our way but we are

2567
01:47:43,900 --> 01:47:42,050
stumbling big time and maybe the

2568
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:43,910
pendulum with where we are right now

2569
01:47:47,620 --> 01:47:45,770
with politics needs a swing so far the

2570
01:47:50,500 --> 01:47:47,630
other way that it comes back but I don't

2571
01:47:52,450 --> 01:47:50,510
want it to be it won't sustain itself if

2572
01:47:55,510 --> 01:47:52,460
it's just done with some slogan it's got

2573
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:55,520
to be done in a way that is is something

2574
01:48:02,320 --> 01:47:57,290
that everyone feels instinctively

2575
01:48:03,850 --> 01:48:02,330
intuitively innately is right and and

2576
01:48:06,100 --> 01:48:03,860
again it comes down to the Golden Rule

2577
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:06,110
treat others you want to be treated very

2578
01:48:11,650 --> 01:48:08,930
simple I love it man oh wow I can't

2579
01:48:14,380 --> 01:48:11,660
think of a better way to wrap this up

2580
01:48:17,470 --> 01:48:14,390
man but again like this this this

2581
01:48:19,780 --> 01:48:17,480
journey you and I went on tonight was ie

2582
01:48:22,270 --> 01:48:19,790
I anticipated just talking about your

2583
01:48:24,010 --> 01:48:22,280
films but this this manifested into

2584
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:24,020
something way more profound and powerful

2585
01:48:29,980 --> 01:48:26,810
and that I can't ask for more than that

2586
01:48:32,440 --> 01:48:29,990
I learned so much tonight and if what

2587
01:48:35,710 --> 01:48:32,450
you're saying tonight on this interview

2588
01:48:37,450 --> 01:48:35,720
is any indication of what's to come in

2589
01:48:40,300 --> 01:48:37,460
terms of your work in the UFO field

2590
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:40,310
outside the UFO field I'm gonna follow

2591
01:48:43,540 --> 01:48:42,050
you all the way man take my money take

2592
01:48:46,220 --> 01:48:43,550
my time

2593
01:48:48,979 --> 01:48:46,230
IIIi can't wait to see what you come up

2594
01:48:50,930 --> 01:48:48,989
with I have to ask where can we find out

2595
01:48:54,290 --> 01:48:50,940
more about what you're doing well you

2596
01:48:58,010 --> 01:48:54,300
can go to right now you can go to UFO

2597
01:49:00,740 --> 01:48:58,020
abduction movie.com that is the the

2598
01:49:02,689 --> 01:49:00,750
website that you can go and actually as

2599
01:49:05,780 --> 01:49:02,699
I mentioned earlier I've digitally

2600
01:49:07,490 --> 01:49:05,790
remastered my film and so people can get

2601
01:49:09,470 --> 01:49:07,500
the DVD or they can download it as well

2602
01:49:12,590 --> 01:49:09,480
if you order the DVD I'll do a signed

2603
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:12,600
copy of it for you you can see my stuff

2604
01:49:19,459 --> 01:49:15,810
there you can also go to dean Alioto

2605
01:49:20,900 --> 01:49:19,469
comm and that has a sampling of some of

2606
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:20,910
the projects that i'm developing and

2607
01:49:26,570 --> 01:49:23,520
then you can also go to alien content

2608
01:49:28,340 --> 01:49:26,580
comm which again is the production

2609
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:28,350
venture that i'm doing where i'm going

2610
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:30,480
to be doing both fictional films dealing

2611
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:33,810
with real themes that that are being

2612
01:49:38,930 --> 01:49:36,449
researched in the UFO and aliens as well

2613
01:49:41,209 --> 01:49:38,940
as hardcore documentaries working with

2614
01:49:43,010 --> 01:49:41,219
some of the you know the best people and

2615
01:49:45,169 --> 01:49:43,020
exciting people in the field doing your

2616
01:49:49,490 --> 01:49:45,179
part in every facet getting us those

2617
01:49:50,990 --> 01:49:49,500
small DS of disclosure and just just

2618
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:51,000
opening us all up to new opportunities

2619
01:49:56,060 --> 01:49:53,850
when it comes to this topic so I have to

2620
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:56,070
thank you so much for agreeing to come

2621
01:50:01,580 --> 01:49:58,800
on today for pleading your case and for

2622
01:50:03,470 --> 01:50:01,590
showing us that you are a true UFO buff

2623
01:50:05,540 --> 01:50:03,480
through and through man so Dean thank

2624
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:05,550
you so much for joining me on somewhere

2625
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:07,170
in the skies oh please it was my

2626
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:07,650
pleasure

2627
01:50:11,300 --> 01:50:09,449
Ryan this is great keep up the good work

2628
01:50:16,459 --> 01:50:11,310
dude thank you for having me on this is

2629
01:50:18,530 --> 01:50:16,469
this was fun dude this is fun alright

2630
01:50:20,990 --> 01:50:18,540
that is it for this week's episode past

2631
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:21,000
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2632
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somewhere skies once again I have to

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thank all of my new kgr a radio

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listeners I hope you enjoyed the show

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and I hope you've joined me next week

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for another episode and to all of you

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out there remember keep your feet on the

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ground but never stop searching

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